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12-29-2005, 11:08 PM
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01-26-2006, 04:32 PM
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Time Warp is Back
Time Warp Baseball has been running strong for over 2 years now. After a lot of discussion elsewhere, we have decided it is time to begin updating this thread. This is where the story began, and had it not been for the server crash, the story never would have stopped being posted here. So, with a little help from my friends, we will travel back to 1958 - the first season lost in the crash. I will update this thread from 1958 to the present (1965). After that is done, I will continue regular updates as done in the past. Hopefully, there are still plenty of non-GM TWB fans out there... and also many new ones yet to come. So sit back, relax and enjoy the show. *Starting TWB Classic highlight reel.........* 
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01-26-2006, 04:51 PM
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Nice. Nothing like a little Time (Warp) Travel.
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01-26-2006, 05:09 PM
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Awesome to see this is coming back. I got into TWB just by stumbling across it and loving reading this thread - I know I'm not alone.
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01-26-2006, 05:18 PM
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Awesome, this is how I got interested in this league as well, can't wait for my expansion team!!
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01-26-2006, 05:51 PM
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Key Retirees:
After the 1957 season Luther Ormiston, 3B Detroit Tigers 1944, 1946-56  Ormiston slugged his way to 4th all-time among retired third basemen with 281 homeruns. He was the 1948 and 1952 AL BOY - the first two of five pennant winning seasons he was part of with the Tigers. After Detroit won their record 4th straight World Series in 1955, Ormiston had only 38 more at-bats the rest of his career. Not coincidentally, those 1950s Mighty Tigers never won another pennant. Ormiston was a 5-time all-star and he retired with a .273 average, 1390 hits, 262 doubles, 281 homeruns, 1039 RBI, 886 walks and a .909 OPS. Hershel Lee, C Philadelphia & Kansas City Athletics 1948-57  Lee was already a renowned slugger in the Negro Leagues at age 25. After eight Negro League seasons, primarily with the Birmingham Black Barons, Lee was signed by the R.W. Jones, the Athletics' general manager who became known for his scouting of the Negro Leagues and the opportunities he gave to negro stars. As a rookie, Lee promptly hit .299 with 28 HR and 101 RBI. Those 28 HR and 101 RBI are still an Athletics rookie record to this day (1965). In his first five seasons, Lee finished 2nd, 3rd or 4th in American League homeruns. He won three Gold Gloves and the 1951 World Series and was a 5-time all-star. He retired with a .276 average, 1105 hits, 211 doubles, 237 homeruns (6th all-time among catchers), 798 RBI, 665 runs, 536 walks and a .886 OPS. Other Notable Retirees: Hershel Cooley, LF A's 1935-56 Phillies 1957 .294, 1959 H, 369 2B, 126 3B, 24 HR, 712 RBI, 1107 R, 652 BB, 442 SB, .755 OPS Three-time all-star. Sparkplug for many good Athletics teams. Won 1951 World Series. Nick Pursell, 3B Giants 1941-43, 1945-57 .282, 1673 H, 262 2B, 145 3B, 127 HR, 815 RBI, 845 R, 539 BB, 147 SB, .783 OPS Former Negro Leaguers: Al Jackson, LF Indians 1947-56 Jackson was the first black player to play in the big leagues, breaking the color barrier with Cleveland in 1947. He was a gifted player but many people who knew him said he suffered under the relentless expectations and bigotry. In 1951, he was hit in the head by a pitch from Browns pitcher Eugene Sprecher, a noted racist. Jackson never fully recovered his vision and never hit above .255 again. Grady Fisher, LF Braves 1950-52 Red Sox 1952-56 Jim Meacham, C Tigers 1951-56 Meacham was a well known slugger from the Negro Leagues. As a 30-year-old rookie in 1951, he hit .332 with 10 HR and 40 RBI in just 190 at-bats. Hershel Lee spoke out on the issue later, saying that the Tigers and manager Bob Guilderson preferred to play the struggling, but white, John Degal. Of course Degal would go on to become the greatest slugging catcher of all time, even ahead of the immortal Willard Schwarz, but at the time he was hitting just .198 and the Tigers finished in 2nd place, 9 games behind Lee's Athletics. Moses Bottoms, SS Pirates 1951-53 Phillies 1953-56 Retiring Ancestors: Cutter Brekke, SS Braves 1941-43, 1946-52 Pirates 1953-56 .277, 1287 H Phillip Gillette, CF Phillies 1945 Indians 1945 Pete Nagel, 1B Browns 1942-43 |
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01-26-2006, 06:08 PM
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Ancestors Added in 1958:
Listed in order of original draft position (although there was no "draft" in 1958, just simulated for ootp purposes). Only Joe Emig was not drafted in Round 1. Bert Wojniec, P, Philadelphia Phillies  George Adams, SS, Boston Red Sox  Monte Shanks, P, Chicago White Sox  Russell Henry, LF, Milwaukee Braves  Dick Sharkey, P, Detroit Tigers  Ben Esselink, 2B, Pittsburgh Pirates  Wally Hanham, C, Cleveland Indians  Joe Emig, P, Boston Red Sox 
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01-26-2006, 08:36 PM
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Great to see the resurrection of this thread. Thanks Matt(and anyone else who will be contributing).
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01-26-2006, 09:49 PM
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1958 Offseason News
Quick reference back to the end of 1957 The offseason was dominated by talk of the Dodgers and Giants abandoning New York for greener pastures in California. Fans of the two franchises were devastated. The two teams were a staple of life within their communities for over half a century. Dodgers fans were particularly devastated since their team won the pennant in 1956 and finished second last season. Brooklyn icon Oscar Vancini headed west with the team as Harry Finley's hitting coach, but he was vocally against the move. In other winter news, after just one season in Boston, slugging catcher John Degal was shipped to Baltimore. "Dirtbag" was unhappy after leaving Detroit but he seemed ready to move on to his third team in three seasons. The Orioles are a team on the rise and Degal could be enough to put them over the top. Washington shocked the baseball world by dealing away one of their young stars, 1B Leo Emig, to Los Angeles. In The News Nov 21: Phillies 1B James Klock pled guilty to a series of sex offenses, such as indecent exposure, involving young girls. He received a 3-year probationary sentence and entered a rehabilitation program through the end of February. Hall of Fame The following players were elected in 1958:  Blake Crocitto, SS Cap: Senators Inducted: BBWAA 100% Teams: Washington A.L. 1930, 1932-49, 1952, Philadelphia N.L. 1949-51 Plaque: The Hitman was one of the premier batters of his generation. He was one of the driving forces for the best teams in Senators history. He played in four WS (three with Washington) and won three of them. He was a 2-time AL BOY and won 7 batting titles, including hitting over .400 twice! He led the league in hits 6 times and retired with 3452 of them (5th All-Time), plus a .346 average (7th All-Time), 155 homeruns, 522 doubles (23rd All-Time), 1408 RBI, 1632 runs (16th All-Time), 1152 walks, 215 steals and a .888 OPS. All those numbers despite spending two years at war, and he was 2nd all-time in batting average for much of his career before a subpar 1951 season and haning on one season too long for a last hurrah with Washington in 1952.  Bud Breckenridge, CF Cap: Pirates Inducted: BBWAA 85.0% Teams: Pittsburgh N.L. 1929-49 Plaque: Breckenridge continued the tradition of great outfielders in Pirates history. He was an all-around great player. He hit for average, he hit for power and he had speed. He also played good defense. He was the 1942 NL BOY, and he led the league in OBP and runs four times. He was an eight time all-star and retired with a .303 average, 2405 hits, 178 homeruns, 1208 RBI, 1556 runs, 1420 walks and a .858 OPS.  Jon Wright, CF Cap: Dodgers Inducted: BBWAA 85.0% Teams: Brooklyn N.L. 1930-43, 1946-49, 1952, Philadelphia N.L. 1949-52 Plaque: Wright was the 1935 NL BOY in just his 4th season. He went to 3 WS with the same Dodgers dynasty that included such luminaries as Oscar Vancini and Frank Smith, winning one in 1939. Late in his career he won 2 Gold Gloves, and at age 35, he was traded to the Phillies where he helped the team to the 1949 WS but was unable to play due to injury. Despite missing three seasons to WWII, he retired with a .327 average, 2869 hits, 543 doubles, 251 homeruns, 1401 RBI, 1284 runs, 725 walks and a .861 OPS.  Alan Liao, 3B Cap: Reds Inducted: BBWAA 75.0% Teams: Cincinnati N.L. 1925-46 Plaque: Liao was a quietly consistent hitter for the Reds for nearly 2 decades. He retired with a .301 average, 3065 hits (17th All-Time), 527 doubles (18th All-Time), 144 homeruns, 1349 RBI, 1616 runs (16th All-Time), 1482 walks, 270 steals and .805 OPS.  Tobe Palmer, SP Cap: Phillies Inducted: VC Teams: Philadelphia N.L. 1921-36, Chicago A.L. 1921, 1936 Plaque: Palmer was the first star pitcher the the Phillies would develop on their way to a dynasty that gripped the NL through much of the 20's and 30's. He was the patriarch of the "Phantastic Phour" - the named given to Philadelphia's four stellar starting pitchers that carried the team through its five World Series championships. He never led the league in ERA, but he finished in the top 10 nine times over twelve seasons. Along with five World Championships, he retires with a 266-185 record, 3.48 ERA, 1763 strikeouts, 395 complete games and 37 shutouts. Last edited by Matt from TN; 02-01-2006 at 01:09 PM. |
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01-26-2006, 10:34 PM
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The guy can field, hit, an is starting to come into his own. A great pickup and a worthy looking successor to Mo Lutske in Boston. Quote:
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Almost an afterthough in the draft, hes picked up his game considerably. Three twenty game seasons and now back in Baltimore to replace De La Garza. A very promising future for this lad indeed. It's intresting to see how well they've done a few years later.
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01-27-2006, 08:35 PM
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01-27-2006, 08:37 PM
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On Lee and Luther, I'll have to look up on TWB where we talked about Lee and Luther's injuries that led to their declines. I think we researched and walked through them once or twice. It was nice that the "free fall" could be tied into real injuries they suffered, adding to the storyline.
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01-27-2006, 08:53 PM
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Re Lee:
From May 17 05 posting at TWB site: --------------------------------------------- Geeze, look at this about Campanella: "During the 1950s, Campanella would injure his left hand and that injury would continue to worsen as the decade moved on. As the injury worsened, so did Campy's performance. Unfortunately, the hand injury would be placed into perspective by 1958. In January of that year, Campy was paralyzed in a horrific car crash and his career came to an abrupt end." Lee suffered hand injury in 1953 and his performance suffered. I worry about Lee when 1958 arrives. http://www.psacard.com/articles/article3469.chtml ------------------------- And from earlier from same thread: ----------- Hershel Lee 1948-1952 seasons: Hershel Lee establishes himself as perhaps the best catcher in TWB history. Five seasons with BA between .288 and .299 and hits between 28 and 36 HRs per season. He also drives in between 101 and 119 RBI each year. Clearly dominant player. Has rough season in 1953 but then... September 1953: "Injured on 9/9/1953 with a Fractured Hand, out for 8-9 weeks..." He never fully recovers and his BA falls to as low as .234 the following year. He is now platooning with Poulos at catcher at the age of 33. His HOF career effectively stopped in its tracks by injury. -------------------- Campy vs. Lee: Campy first two data columns while Lee is second two: BA and HRs 1948 .258 9 .299 28 1949 .287 22 .296 31 1950 .281 31 .298 33 1951 .325 33 .288 36 1952 .269 22 .293 35 1953 .312 41 .261 26 1954 .207 19 .234 26 1955 .318 32 .256 17 1956 .219 20 .237 5 1957 .242 13 .156 0 Last edited by BPS; 01-27-2006 at 09:08 PM. |
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02-01-2006, 01:35 PM
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1958 Recap
Despite a team batting average that ranked just 16th in the majors, the Athletics won the AL pennant again. They did score the 4th most runs in the AL despite that .250 team average. Credit most of that to Charlton Brown, who hit .320 with 42 HR and 99 RBI. But the A's are clearly built with pitching: Martin Gwaltney (20-15, 2.58), Danny Mau (17-5, 2.82) and Jackie Bowen (20-13, 3.81). Tad Zonkas (12-11, 4.08) was the team's primary 4th pitcher, but on August 16th he strained a muscle in his throwing arm and was lost for the season - and World Series. The young Orioles continued their rise, finishing 2nd with a 89-65 record. They switched long-time catcher John Degal to 3B and he hit .300 with 34 HR and 100 RBI. Just as spring training was ending, the team acquired John Nolting from the now-rebuilding Tigers. He went 17-13 with a 3.59 ERA and provided a stabalizing mound presence. Then on April 16th, the Orioles got 33-year-old Adam Sardina from the Cubs, and he had one of the finest pitching seasons in the league, going 23-7 with a 2.35 ERA. After young star Leo Emig was traded to L.A. in the offseason, Senators fans were flabbergasted as the team traded three other promising players. Lukas Dietrich, who set the AL strikeout record last season, and CF Earl Taylor were shipped to Cleveland, and exciting new outfielder Jed Williams was traded to San Francisco. The Indians finished tied with Baltimore. They boasted seven batters with 19 or more homeruns, led by SS Myron Lilly's 32. 1B Jerry Tuggle led the league with 118 RBI. Herman Labombard (20-7, 2.81), Lukas Dietrich (20-11, 3.47) and Lex Tjeenk-Willink (22-11, 3.63) gave Cleveland three 20-game winners. Dietrich's 323 strikeouts was 2nd in AL history to his 343 last season. Despite a strong September from the Reds, who won their final 9 games, the Dodgers easily pulled away for their 2nd pennant in three seasons. They ranked 3rd in the majors in runs scored and runs allowed. CF Mark Silcox and 3B Chris Kobeck both hit over 30 HR with 120+ RBI each. The pitching staff was outstanding. Joe Helton led with a fantastic 28-4 record and league-best 2.28 ERA. Brad De la Garza (21-11, 3.46), Tom Dufresne (24-14, 3.89) and David Ours (16-11, 3.74) gave the team a formidable presence on the mound every day. On April 16th, the Dodgers traded RF Ellie Vancini to Milwaukee to acquire De la Garza and pitching prospect Brock Putnam. Dodgers legend Oscar Vancini, Ellie's father, resigned as batting coach shortly after the trade. He had already been upset at the organization for their move to the west coast, and after his son was moved to Milwaukee, Oscar had no reason left to remain in L.A. He quickly returned to Brooklyn. In other news, Detroit's Ray Kress hit his 449th and 450th career homeruns in the same game. Then later in the season, Yankees 1B Ken Chaucer became the 3rd player in history to hit 400 homeruns. After being arrested for indescent exposure back in November, Phillies 1B James Klock was traded to Boston in May. One player the Phillies received in return was underachieving 1B Irving Korr, who went on to have a career year, hitting .286 with 35 HR and 96 RBI. Code:
American League Standings Kansas City 94 60 .610 - Baltimore 89 65 .578 5.0 Cleveland 89 65 .578 5.0 New York 86 68 .558 8.0 Detroit 81 73 .526 13.0 Boston 66 88 .429 28.0 Chicago (A) 64 90 .416 30.0 Washington 47 107 .305 47.0 National League Standings Los Angeles 101 53 .656 - Cincinnati 92 62 .597 9.0 Chicago (N) 82 72 .532 19.0 St. Louis 73 81 .474 28.0 Milwaukee 72 82 .468 29.0 Pittsburgh 72 82 .468 29.0 Philadelphia 65 89 .422 36.0 San Francisco 59 95 .383 42.0 AL AVG .351 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS .342 Will Miller Jr., NYA .336 Chris Javel, BOS NL AVG .348 Alan Liao Jr., STL .343 Roger Joyce, LAD .334 Ben Giordano, PIT AL HOMERUNS 42 Charlton Brown, KCA 35 Arnie Stewart, NYA 34 John Degal, BAL NL HOMERUNS 36 Mark Silcox, LAD 35 Chris Kobeck, LAD 35 Irving Korr, PHI AL RBI 118 Jerry Tuggle, CLE 104 Pete Pugliese, BAL 102 Arnie Stewart, NYA NL RBI 130 Mark Silcox, LAD 121 Chris Kobeck, LAD 117 Doug Williams, CIN AL STEALS 47 Mike Kreitenberg, BOS 37 Lucien Arbour, BOS 36 Will Miller Jr., NYA NL STEALS 51 Leo Emig, LAD 44 Asa Booker, PHI 28 Ben Cook, CIN AL ERA 2.21 Bourbon Allen Jr., NYA 2.22 Carpenter Erickson, NYA 2.35 Adam Sardina, BAL NL ERA 2.28 Joe Helton, LAD 2.37 Hank Makris, CIN 2.82 Randy Liebermann, CHN AL WINS 23 Adam Sardina, BAL 22 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE 22 Carpenter Erickson, NYA NL WINS 28 Joe Helton, LAD 24 Hank Makris, CIN 24 Tom Dufresne, LAD AL STRIKEOUTS 323 Lukas Dietrich, CLE 288 Carpenter Erickson, NYA 262 Martin Gwaltney, KCA NL STRIKEOUTS 268 Joe Helton, LAD 199 Randy Liebermann, CHN 197 Louis Schmit, STL AL SAVES 24 Cal Granger, KCA 24 John Patterson, DET 20 Morgan Cuellar, CLE NL SAVES 28 Barry Sammons, LAD 26 Gene Lopez, CHN 17 Cort Nagel, MLN 17 Chris Delp, CIN Last edited by Matt from TN; 02-01-2006 at 06:16 PM. |
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