*** The OOOTP 6.5 Final Features List ***

[Davey Eckstein]

Originally Posted by remangiii

Yes.

Is there a purpose for the block then?

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

Is there a purpose for the bloc then?

Ask AA.

[Riverdome]

The trade block is most useful for on-line league to show everyone who you are looking to move. I refuse to use it in solo play since the CPU doesn't use it.

[Cardinal Rule]

Originally Posted by Riverdome

The trade block is most useful for on-line league to show everyone who you are looking to move. I refuse to use it in solo play since the CPU doesn't use it.

I guess it might depend on what you mean by "CPU doesn't use it". If a solo gamer puts a player on the trading block, he might get offers from CPU teams for that player. And CPU teams also put players on the trading block, and in some cases do trade said player before the deadline. If you mean the CPU isn't as intuitive about it, you could be right as I've found in some cases the CPU won't want any of my players in trade for one of their players they've put on the block, and some comment saying "We will not trade Player X". I however, take that to mean that the CPU doesn't feel any player on my roster is of interest to them in trade for the guy they put on the block.

[rem]

Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

Is there a purpose for the block then?

There never has been.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Riverdome

The trade block is most useful for on-line league to show everyone who you are looking to move. I refuse to use it in solo play since the CPU doesn't use it.

i tought they do when its close to the trading deadline

[Gil Thorp]

Originally Posted by Riverdome

I refuse to use it in solo play since the CPU doesn't use it.

Sure they do. But usually only close to the trade deadline.

[Johnny99]

-Added a 'toggle stats' button to the lineup screens which toggles between overall and L/R split stats


There is a God!

[DreamTeams]

Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

Is there a purpose for the block then?

The 'block' and the 'shop player' do the same thing... shop players to other teams. However, the 'block' gives you gradual feedback and teams offer more than just one-on-one trades, while the 'shop player' allows you to get immediate feedback, but seems to be limited to just one-on-one trades.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by bulldog55

Heh, I was the first person to question charging for these features.

This list is much nicer than the first list, namely the backwards compatibility in online leagues. Forcing entire leagues to switch or not to switch would have been a horrible decision. I'd also like to see how these features are implemented and how effective and realistic they are before buying, but as a commissioner I do have a responsibility to my league to buy this if they want it, and that would be the only reason I'd buy this. Some of the features should have worked better in the first place, others are simple stat tracking additions, more were quick and/or necessary fixes, and development and player evaluation AI improvements have always been in free updates.

It does have some nice new features as advertised, I'll give them that. And if they work properly (of which I'm skeptical after having to deal with all the problems over waivers when the game came out, completely ignoring h2h which I have never complained about but that was promised) I can see where people would find it worth it. But this is not the new version of OOTP, regardless of what people are saying; it's changes and additions to the existing version. You don't need to install a new game, all the third-party mods like catobase still work and if exports are compatible then the data structures are practically identical.

In the end I know I'll buy this as per the wishes of the Victory League owners, but I wouldn't buy it for myself. It's my opinion, I'm not the only one who holds it, and I don't think it's at all unfounded. Conversely, I think the people begging to pay $40 for this have several screws loose.

I agee with much of what you say. By new version I don't mean v7 and $35.95 but v6.5 and $9.95 is not out of line, again IMHO.


My real point though is those that thought all this stuff was very easy to add
so didn't really mean much and didn't consider the complexity that could come with something like team focus. It is my opinion that if, and I did say if, the team focus works as intended then it alone is probably worth the 9.95 for the solo player like me and is not a feature that could just be tossed in with little effort. Will it need to be tweaked I would guess it will. Most new features do once all of us get ahold of them and give Markus feedback on how they can be better.

Some will say it's worth 9.95 some will say it's not and make their decision to based on that. To each their own

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Some will say it's worth 9.95 some will say it's not and make their decision to based on that. To each their own

A point we agree on. Just because us few don't hold it as worth it, we shouldn't be called whiners or any such name like that because we hold that opinion. I'm sure for a lot of you it'll be worth. I say good to you guys, hopefully you'll get the enjoyment out of it.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by DreamTeams

The 'block' and the 'shop player' do the same thing... shop players to other teams. However, the 'block' gives you gradual feedback and teams offer more than just one-on-one trades, while the 'shop player' allows you to get immediate feedback, but seems to be limited to just one-on-one trades.

i hope shop player lets you add more than one player on your team to shop to see what teams will offer for your multi players

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

i hope shop player lets you add more than one player on your team to shop to see what teams will offer for your multi players

nope.
shop player is just a one-to-one thing.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

nope.
shop player is just a one-to-one thing.

ok cool

like what FOF has right? something similar i hope.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by octones

The biggest gripe about 6.5 was the potential to break up online leagues. I don't remember many (if any) saying this wasn't a big effort by Markus. I was one of the ones calling this a patch and I still say it is as it just doesn't fit the term I know of as expansion pack.

Oh, I don't know I saw plenty that just said I'm not paying for a patch. It's not the money it's the principle. I have no problem with this opinion it is their right but was hardly online leaguers only to my reccolection. I could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by octones

It is fun to watch people generalize valid complaints. People have the right to be upset and this is a public message board so they have the right to voice their complaints. The attitude of those complaining was much more mature than those who were putting down those who complained.

Isn't this a generalization of those that compained and those that countered with their own opinion? And weren't those that countered entitled to since it is a public message board?

I think in reality there were plenty of replies from both extremes that weren't very mature. For the most part the discussions stayed on point and civil.

Originally Posted by octones

Anyways.... this new version looks good. Quite a few things tweaked or added. Quite a few suggestions from the community put in the game. One of the main gripes (exports for online leagues) was taken care of. Everyone knows Markus put in a lot of work for this upgrade. Great list of features. Hopefully they are all fully tested and work well as this is the first pay expansion pack for this series. If it is buggy there will be a much greater backlash than when 6.5 was announced.

I agree it is am impressive list and I hope it all goes smoothly. Markus has stated he will be supporting v6.5 with patches if necessary. I wouldn't be surprised if one is needed but who knows maybe it will come off without a hitch.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Mike D

A point we agree on. Just because us few don't hold it as worth it, we shouldn't be called whiners or any such name like that because we hold that opinion. I'm sure for a lot of you it'll be worth. I say good to you guys, hopefully you'll get the enjoyment out of it.

Yep, to each their own. You have been consistent on your opinions with regard to this issue and that should be respected and is by me. It's pretty easy to see that I like 6.5 and don't mind spending the 10 bucks. Name calling wasn't needed from anyone and there was more people on this one calling whiner than fanboy but both were used and none was needed.

I've posted a few times about 6.5 and don't believe I said anything that could be
taken as an insult (I know you weren't saying I did Mike D). But if something came across that way as sometimes things do in these written words than I apologise.

[jbmagic]

MikeD

and the same respect for customers that want to buy 6.5 too.

and not calling us a sheep.

quote

"I hope you continue to have blind faith in Markus, and purchase anything he does. It customers like you that allow EA to milk their customers every year for the same crap game. Congrats on being a sheep. Baa"

that the pm you sent to me back the other day. when i ask why you not going to buy version 6.5.


so respect people that want to buy the game and respect people that don't either

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

MikeD

and the same respect for customers that want to buy 6.5 too.

and not calling us a sheep.

quote

"I hope you continue to have blind faith in Markus, and purchase anything he does. It customers like you that allow EA to milk their customers every year for the same crap game. Congrats on being a sheep. Baa"

that the pm you sent to me back the other day. when i ask why you not going to buy version 6.5.


so respect people that want to buy the game and respect people that don't either

Hmm, I guess PM's aren't private?

On the forums, I have shown respect for people who want to buy the game. What was said to you was a PM, a Private Message and that was after you said I was a broken record for saying I wasn't going to buy it. Sorry bud, you threw out the first insult.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Hmm, I guess PM's aren't private?

Not in jbworld, apparently.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Not in jbworld, apparently.

Unfortunate, isn't it. And then someone will come in here and say, Take it to PM's but I guess that won't matter if it'll just be made public again.