Bonds is definitley more important than the rules!!! - Page 2

Emmaculate · 03-08-2005, 11:48 PM

(pssst.....it's Spring Training. Chill)

MogulChamp · 03-08-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by STLFAN2003

are you seriously saying that letting a DH play in an NL home game is not bending the rules. If this is not bending the rules, then it must be in the rule book that NL home games have DH's and it does not.

Damn dude, it'll be alright. It's only spring training and therefore only an exhibition. I'm sure they won't be rewriting the rulebook.

I personally think it's a great idea. Not only for the fans, but for the players as well. It's a good way to rehab, and help the player be ready for opening day. This should be done more often, heck let them have the DH all of Spring Training, so teams get looks at more players.

reds1 · 03-08-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

Damn dude, it'll be alright. It's only spring training and therefore only an exhibition. I'm sure they won't be rewriting the rulebook.

Exactly. The Giants are playing their 'home' games in Scottsdale, Ariz. and the Reds in Sarasota, Fla. for crying out loud.

SoxWin · 03-09-2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by STLFAN2003

Bonds or Griffey is beyond the point. I was addressing the fact that A PLAYER was given permission to bend the rules.

No. No you weren't. I'm no purist but I'd rather neither guy played DH. But I've got a lot more important things to worry about, like if I watered the plants this week.

bulldog55 · 03-09-2005, 12:17 AM

Fun fact: Win-loss records are reset on Opening Day.

swampdragon · 03-09-2005, 12:23 AM

You know, I feel sure that both teams agreed to it before the game, and the league authorized it. Gives the vets a few extra swings, gives the fans a superstar to watch, and we lose... the privilege of watching pitchers hit in a game that doesn't count.

sebastian0622 · 03-09-2005, 12:25 AM

This doesn't really bother me at all, but I do wonder if the league would have granted the original request if it was for, say, Julio Lugo instead of Ken Griffey Jr.

reds1 · 03-09-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

I like how this comment game directly after Skipaway quoting a portion of the article that shows that this actually wasn't even Bonds' idea.

Nah, it was his idea, I'm sure. He had one of his lackeys do the dirty work for him. Bonds was too busy watching Sanford and Son.

Dagrims · 03-09-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SoxWin

But I've got a lot more important things to worry about, like if I watered the plants this week.

Do you use a designated pitcher?

twins15 · 03-09-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Do you use a designated pitcher?

Bwahahahahahaha!

I'll have the banana and pie special with that!

SoxWin · 03-09-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Do you use a designated pitcher?

boilermaker · 03-09-2005, 12:43 AM

Well, it's not like he's any good. Obviously with the numbers Bonds has, he needs all the help he can get. Let's face it, some people need to hit from the red tee.

UngratefulDead · 03-09-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Do you use a designated pitcher?

Goddamn.

UngratefulDead · 03-09-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by reds1

Nah, it was his idea, I'm sure. He had one of his lackeys do the dirty work for him. Bonds was too busy watching Sanford and Son.

My sarcasm indicator is wavering back and forth and smoking..

Slackker · 03-09-2005, 03:33 AM

Even I don't see the shot at Bonds in there. It's spring training, and the MLB makes money off of it's stars, so they want them to be ready to play. Bonds, Griffey, etc. It's completely understandable. I don't see it being a sign of things to come for NL baseball. I'm actually glad. It may mean that I have to watch Piazza throw one or two less balls into center (on a bounce off the mound, of course) this season. YES!

Jason Moyer · 03-09-2005, 03:40 AM

Spring training is the only time DH's should be used in either league.

Slackker · 03-09-2005, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Spring training is the only time DH's should be used in either league.

Amen to that.

DAL 9000 · 03-09-2005, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Spring training is the only time DH's should be used in either league.

Is that because you really, really enjoy watching pitchers hit in the regular season? I mean, are you even old enough to remember the days when both leagues had no DH? If not, is it just an inherited prejudice, or what?

You don't have to actually answer that; I'm just venting a little before I hit the sack. I swear, if my roomie blows his nose loudly one more goddamn time... why must you blow your nose so very, very loudly and with such appalling frequency, you fool?! Take a freakin' decongestant! Have you never heard of Nyquil, Evan?! If not, then I strongly suggest you do some research on it!

... stop staring at me.

Jason Moyer · 03-09-2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 9000

Is that because you really, really enjoy watching pitchers hit in the regular season? I mean, are you even old enough to remember the days when both leagues had no DH? If not, is it just an inherited prejudice, or what?

DH's were added to create more offense by rulemakers who didn't seem to understand the reasons there were no offense (and didn't realize that those reasons were already removed in the 1969 rule changes). This is the only positive aspect of the DH.

Some negative aspects of the DH are:

1. The need for ridiculous brushback/beanball/mound-charging rules. Without the DH, the self-policing balance that existed for 100 years between pitchers would still be in place, and pitchers could back guys off the plate and eliminate most of the opposite field homeruns that are so common now. This is one of the inadvertant pro-offense changes made by the DH rule.

2. Old fat guys hanging on for 10 years after they're no longer good athletes.

3. Bench and bullpen strategy. Not as big of a deal as most anti-DH people argue, but still lacking.

4. The fact that it was instituted to create more offense, and the last thing baseball has needed for the past 35 years is more offense.

Jason

seth70liz76 · 03-09-2005, 10:46 AM

In the book "Bush League" (published in 1973--don't have it here at work) there is a converstion with the president of the American Assoc. and they talk about the DH. The main appeals of the DH, according to the AA Prez, were it ended the predictablity of the P's "automatic" out and speeded up the game (8 minutes faster if I recall).

Historically when the DH had been discussed (the 1930's and early 1900's) increasing offense was never the main focus of instituting the DH. But I'm sure if there was 75 or 105 years of "traditon" of the DH, all these anti-DH people would rail against it. Actually they wouldn't, since that is only baseball they would know. If you look globably, Non-DH leagues are the exception--I think professionally the NL is the only non-DH left in the United States.

Bill James has a great article in the first ed. of the Historical Abstract (don't know if it is in the subsequent eds.) about how not being locked into the predictable bunt/PH situations that pitchers hitting creates, managers actually have to think about when to bunt/PH. The difference how Gene Mauch and Earl Weaver would run a game, shall we say. I think after 35 years too many people are locked into the idea your DH needs to be a 3-4-5 slow footed slugger. Why not the speedy OBP machine with a bad glove setting the table? Heck in the Frontier League I see DH's batting 9th--because that is what makes the most sense for that team's offense.

Tradition begins where you decided to draw the line.

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seth70liz76 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,634	In the book "Bush League" (published in 1973--don't have it here at work) there is a converstion with the president of the American Assoc. and they talk about the DH. The main appeals of the DH, according to the AA Prez, were it ended the predictablity of the P's "automatic" out and speeded up the game (8 minutes faster if I recall). Historically when the DH had been discussed (the 1930's and early 1900's) increasing offense was never the main focus of instituting the DH. But I'm sure if there was 75 or 105 years of "traditon" of the DH, all these anti-DH people would rail against it. Actually they wouldn't, since that is only baseball they would know. If you look globably, Non-DH leagues are the exception--I think professionally the NL is the only non-DH left in the United States. Bill James has a great article in the first ed. of the Historical Abstract (don't know if it is in the subsequent eds.) about how not being locked into the predictable bunt/PH situations that pitchers hitting creates, managers actually have to think about when to bunt/PH. The difference how Gene Mauch and Earl Weaver would run a game, shall we say. I think after 35 years too many people are locked into the idea your DH needs to be a 3-4-5 slow footed slugger. Why not the speedy OBP machine with a bad glove setting the table? Heck in the Frontier League I see DH's batting 9th--because that is what makes the most sense for that team's offense. Tradition begins where you decided to draw the line. __________________ It was a mistake to come back.

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swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	You know, I feel sure that both teams agreed to it before the game, and the league authorized it. Gives the vets a few extra swings, gives the fans a superstar to watch, and we lose... the privilege of watching pitchers hit in a game that doesn't count.

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sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	This doesn't really bother me at all, but I do wonder if the league would have granted the original request if it was for, say, Julio Lugo instead of Ken Griffey Jr.

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boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Well, it's not like he's any good. Obviously with the numbers Bonds has, he needs all the help he can get. Let's face it, some people need to hit from the red tee.

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Slackker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 777	Even I don't see the shot at Bonds in there. It's spring training, and the MLB makes money off of it's stars, so they want them to be ready to play. Bonds, Griffey, etc. It's completely understandable. I don't see it being a sign of things to come for NL baseball. I'm actually glad. It may mean that I have to watch Piazza throw one or two less balls into center (on a bounce off the mound, of course) this season. YES!