Most Un-Beatable baseball record

messenjah · 07-02-2004, 03:15 AM

I'm trying to settle an argument with my friend, tell me what you think.

BadluckinOOTP · 07-02-2004, 03:17 AM

Triples if it was possible, you'd think Ripken could of done it after all of those games he played...

matskralc · 07-02-2004, 03:19 AM

Will White's 680 innings (or 2906 batters faced) in 1879.

Karros270 · 07-02-2004, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by matskralc

Will White's 680 innings (or 2906 batters faced) in 1879.

I don't know about that one. You get a guy who can throw with both hands (I know there was a guy in the old days who could, I just can't remember his name) and all he has to do is throw 340 innings with each arm. Put him in a three man rotation and don't baby him and that record would fall by the wayside. As it is now though I think some of the pitchers on Dusty's staff have a chance of breaking that record this year with only one arm.

Le Grande Orange · 07-02-2004, 03:37 AM

I still think DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak is untouchable. When one considers that the next nearest mark is 44 games, which is less than 80% of DiMaggio's mark, it's even more remarkable. Looking at it the other way, his 56-game mark is 1.27 times greater than the second-place figure. That is a heck of an advantage.

I just can't see this record ever being broken...

fantom1979 · 07-02-2004, 05:39 AM

of the two options, I would pick triples.

The most unbreakable record that I see right now is Ryan's 5714. When is the next time we will see a pitcher that pitches enough innings to have that many strikeouts.

mh2365 · 07-02-2004, 06:26 AM

Cy Young's wins

mlyons · 07-02-2004, 07:24 AM

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Cy Young's wins

Beat me to it. With 300 game winners only happeining a couple of times in a generation now, I can't possibly see how someone could get to 500.

Highlander · 07-02-2004, 08:13 AM

I really think there are a lot of them....many of them belong to Cy Young (career wins, career losses, career IP, career CG, etc.). Even when compared to pitchers of his era, he is still about 100 wins, 1300 IP, and 100 CG above everyone else. Ryan's Ks, Walter Johnson's career shutouts(110), and Pete Alexander's single season shut-outs(16) are the other big pitching ones.

As far as batting records, career and single-season triples will be pretty untouchable. Rose's hits, AB, and games played will be tough for anyone to reach. Also, Henderson's season and career SB records will be very tough, unless the game changes a lot down the road. Then, as others have mentioned, Ripken's consecutive game streak and DiMaggio's hit streak.

As far as the most untouchable, I would have to say Cy Young's Wins, IP, and CG.....no one in history has even come close to any of those.....Nolan Ryan would have needed to pitch at least 10 more years to reach the IP of Young!!! Impossible!

Skipaway · 07-02-2004, 09:08 AM

Two grand slam in an inning by Fernando Tatis. Someone might be able to tie it, but beat it?

streetballer67 · 07-02-2004, 09:15 AM

Cy Young's Win record won't be touched, that's not to say that some of those other ones will be broken but this one is just amazing.

Boozie1580 · 07-02-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Two grand slam in an inning by Fernando Tatis. Someone might be able to tie it, but beat it?

Good point. Same with Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters.

andjbock · 07-02-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I still think DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak is untouchable. When one considers that the next nearest mark is 44 games, which is less than 80% of DiMaggio's mark, it's even more remarkable. Looking at it the other way, his 56-game mark is 1.27 times greater than the second-place figure. That is a heck of an advantage.

I just can't see this record ever being broken...

This my pick too.

Gastric ReFlux · 07-02-2004, 01:13 PM

Gagne Gagne Gagne His Record Is Inhuman All You Dodger Haterrrzzz

PeteRose4256 · 07-02-2004, 01:17 PM

When asked this question in the past, I always answer Rickey Henderson 130 SB's in a season. The only way baseball has been able to stay popular in this world of fast paced sports is through the long ball. Dominating the game, literally, from the base paths is a forgotten art.

As Highlander said, unless the game changes, this one will never go down.

Kaline · 07-02-2004, 01:23 PM

Cy Young, loss's.

I think his wins are almost un-breakable, but if I had to pick just one, Id pick his loss's. I think a guy like Ryan on good teams would have had a chance at his wins(I realize he was 200 wins shy, I said may have had a shot), but nobody can lose that much and keep a job for long enough.

Another one is Gossages IP by a RP in a year (is it 208?), since its pretty hard for a RP to get up past 110 (hell thats nearly impossible). Of course, that may not even be the record (I just think it is)

streetballer67 · 07-02-2004, 01:34 PM

How many losses did Cy Young have?

rogmax11 · 07-02-2004, 01:39 PM

You guys are probably right about Cy Young and his W/L totals, but every time I see a chart listing career strikeout leaders, and see Nolan Ryan with 5714 ( or whatever ), while number two is at 4362 ( or whatever ), I shake my head at the sheer implausibility of that achievement. If I got results like that from OOTP I would be screaming in disgust at the unrealistic stat production.

streetballer67 · 07-02-2004, 01:42 PM

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If I got results like that from OOTP I would be screaming in disgust at the unrealistic stat production.

LOL. Yes, quite an amazing record.

Goody · 07-02-2004, 02:56 PM

I don't understand why people think that a league leader being way above the #2 leader is so unrealistic. I've noticed that a lot lately. (people commenting that its not good to have a jump in league leader totals)

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07-02-2004, 03:15 AM	#1
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Most Un-Beatable baseball record I'm trying to settle an argument with my friend, tell me what you think.

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Two grand slam in an inning by Fernando Tatis. Someone might be able to tie it, but beat it? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-02-2004, 02:56 PM	#20
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	I don't understand why people think that a league leader being way above the #2 leader is so unrealistic. I've noticed that a lot lately. (people commenting that its not good to have a jump in league leader totals) __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

07-02-2004, 03:17 AM	#2
BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	Triples if it was possible, you'd think Ripken could of done it after all of those games he played... __________________

07-02-2004, 03:37 AM	#5
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	I still think DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak is untouchable. When one considers that the next nearest mark is 44 games, which is less than 80% of DiMaggio's mark, it's even more remarkable. Looking at it the other way, his 56-game mark is 1.27 times greater than the second-place figure. That is a heck of an advantage. I just can't see this record ever being broken...

07-02-2004, 05:39 AM	#6
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	of the two options, I would pick triples. The most unbreakable record that I see right now is Ryan's 5714. When is the next time we will see a pitcher that pitches enough innings to have that many strikeouts.

07-02-2004, 06:26 AM	#7
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Cy Young's wins

07-02-2004, 08:13 AM	#9
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 985	I really think there are a lot of them....many of them belong to Cy Young (career wins, career losses, career IP, career CG, etc.). Even when compared to pitchers of his era, he is still about 100 wins, 1300 IP, and 100 CG above everyone else. Ryan's Ks, Walter Johnson's career shutouts(110), and Pete Alexander's single season shut-outs(16) are the other big pitching ones. As far as batting records, career and single-season triples will be pretty untouchable. Rose's hits, AB, and games played will be tough for anyone to reach. Also, Henderson's season and career SB records will be very tough, unless the game changes a lot down the road. Then, as others have mentioned, Ripken's consecutive game streak and DiMaggio's hit streak. As far as the most untouchable, I would have to say Cy Young's Wins, IP, and CG.....no one in history has even come close to any of those.....Nolan Ryan would have needed to pitch at least 10 more years to reach the IP of Young!!! Impossible!

07-02-2004, 09:15 AM	#11
streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	Cy Young's Win record won't be touched, that's not to say that some of those other ones will be broken but this one is just amazing.

07-02-2004, 01:13 PM	#14
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Gagne Gagne Gagne His Record Is Inhuman All You Dodger Haterrrzzz

07-02-2004, 01:17 PM	#15
PeteRose4256 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southeast Iowa Posts: 71	When asked this question in the past, I always answer Rickey Henderson 130 SB's in a season. The only way baseball has been able to stay popular in this world of fast paced sports is through the long ball. Dominating the game, literally, from the base paths is a forgotten art. As Highlander said, unless the game changes, this one will never go down.

07-02-2004, 01:23 PM	#16
Kaline Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 321	Cy Young, loss's. I think his wins are almost un-breakable, but if I had to pick just one, Id pick his loss's. I think a guy like Ryan on good teams would have had a chance at his wins(I realize he was 200 wins shy, I said may have had a shot), but nobody can lose that much and keep a job for long enough. Another one is Gossages IP by a RP in a year (is it 208?), since its pretty hard for a RP to get up past 110 (hell thats nearly impossible). Of course, that may not even be the record (I just think it is)

07-02-2004, 01:34 PM	#17
streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	How many losses did Cy Young have?

07-02-2004, 01:39 PM	#18
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	You guys are probably right about Cy Young and his W/L totals, but every time I see a chart listing career strikeout leaders, and see Nolan Ryan with 5714 ( or whatever ), while number two is at 4362 ( or whatever ), I shake my head at the sheer implausibility of that achievement. If I got results like that from OOTP I would be screaming in disgust at the unrealistic stat production.