I'll tell you what's not working recently: Rule 5 Draft

[Déjà Bru]

Has anyone seen the AI draft a player recently in their Rule 5 Drafts? Or is it just me?

[LondonYankee]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Has anyone seen the AI draft a player recently in their Rule 5 Drafts? Or is it just me?

They have done in the last two I've had. Only a couple in each but then again the draft pools were poor.
I haven't updated to the very latest patch if that makes a difference.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by LondonYankee

They have done in the last two I've had. Only a couple in each but then again the draft pools were poor.
I haven't updated to the very latest patch if that makes a difference.

No, I've seen it for a while, I think. Here are two examples of guys I picked up in the last Rule 5 Draft. Now, I'm not just saying that my scout is smarter (or dumber) than every other scout in the game.

What I am saying is that I keep on picking up decent to good players in the Rule 5 Draft while I don't see the AI drafting anybody in this version of OOTPB, at least for the last few updates.

These are the guys that the AI passed up this time (it's 1920, so that is pretty good "stuff" for that time). My scout is that good (or bad)? I'll see later on in this season . . .

[SirMichaelJordan]

I found that switching from having players rated by positions to having players rated by all players made the draft active before but after the recent patches the draft seem to not be active anymore no matter what setting I use. The draft pool had some useful players but teams all skip. In last year's game and earlier this year, I was seeing as many as 15 players being selected per year and all players were between the ages of 25-26.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I found that switching from having players rated by positions to having players rated by all players made the draft active before but after the recent patches the draft seem to not be active anymore no matter what setting I use. The draft pool had some useful players but teams all skip. Before I were seeing as many as 15 players being selected per year all between the ages of 25-26.

Also, I remember "getting caught with my pants down" by forgetting to protect prospects that the AI would grab immediately. Even if I left somebody for whom I just traded and inadvertently (that is, stupidly) left in DFA - whisk, gone.

Now I don't see the AI doing anything in Rule 5 Drafts. Thanks, SMJ. Anybody else with similar impressions?

[RchW]

I checked 2 different leagues more than one season each and found AI teams drafting. Not many though, which is the way it should be IMO.

I made no changes in AI player evaluation.

[SirMichaelJordan]

I haven't had any players picked in the last 10 years despite the quality available.

I know in the past versions before switching from having players rated by positions, a few teams did participate with no more than 3 players being selected, unfortunately all the players selected were over the hill vets over the age of 30.

Having the players rated together gave a much more realistic draft with a realistic amount of players being selected (not including the minor league rounds IRL) at a appropriate age.

Anyone with a past version can test this.

Now, i haven't switched back to having players rated by positions with various settings but if that made teams select a few guys (1-3) who are over the hill then I think something still maybe wrong with the draft.

[TNCubsFan]

I have noticed a slow down in Rule 5 picks in test leagues I have run. I am wondering if the AI is having the same problems as we are with the talent model changes in this version.

I play 2-8 and place heavy reliance on stats. Marcus has said that in OOTP an average MLB level player will be 4 across the board. That being the mid point on the bell curve for talent distribution. He has said in another post he realises that 6, (on the 2-8) is an MLB level player IRL. Maybe the AI is still looking for those "6" guys that are unprotected?

[endgame]

Originally Posted by TNCubsFan

I have noticed a slow down in Rule 5 picks in test leagues I have run. I am wondering if the AI is having the same problems as we are with the talent model changes in this version.

I play 2-8 and place heavy reliance on stats. Marcus has said that in OOTP an average MLB level player will be 4 across the board. That being the mid point on the bell curve for talent distribution. He has said in another post he realises that 6, (on the 2-8) is an MLB level player IRL. Maybe the AI is still looking for those "6" guys that are unprotected?

Take this in the spirit it's intended, not being critical, just offering my own opinion, right or wrong. The changes in the AI that may result in this 'new' behavior simply mean the AI may have gotten a little smarter. What with having to have open slots in the 40-man, knowing the player will be on the Active Roster for the season, and having available talent that merits that addition, there's no reason to believe- under average circumstances -that many picks would be made, if at all. In addition, AI may be protecting its own typically eligible players better than it used to, resulting in the 40-man being filled by utilizing that protection, so to speak.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

No, I've seen it for a while, I think. Here are two examples of guys I picked up in the last Rule 5 Draft. Now, I'm not just saying that my scout is smarter (or dumber) than every other scout in the game.

What I am saying is that I keep on picking up decent to good players in the Rule 5 Draft while I don't see the AI drafting anybody in this version of OOTPB, at least for the last few updates.

These are the guys that the AI passed up this time (it's 1920, so that is pretty good "stuff" for that time). My scout is that good (or bad)? I'll see later on in this season . . .

Are all of your AI teams working with a full 40 or full secondary roster? If they are and you are not then you can't expect them to draft anyone. One could say that that is an exploit ie the human player should carry a full roster. If one reads MLBTR regularly it is obvious that most every team IRL has a full 40-man roster just about all the time.

If the AI teams are not carrying a full roster it could suggest some AI eval thing but I don't think you can assume these players are useful unless you look at every team roster and see the mix of players and prospects both on and off the secondary roster.

Do you have all modern day roster rules in place? The Rule 5 draft will not work properly if players can be demoted at will or if there is no 5 year rights of refusal or if there are no waivers etc.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Fwiw. I often see teams without a full 40 man pass on players who are better than the worst guy on their 40 man roster especially pitchers.

I don't think the AI is being smart at all.

I also don't think talent available is the problem either as I mention some top players listed are often better than players that are on the 40. For example I recently ran across a top Pitching prospect who was available to be drafted (Johan Santana again?) and was passed on. It was weird seeing this guy not on the 40 but his team did have a stacked pitching staff that were under 30 in the AI's defense.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by TNCubsFan

I have noticed a slow down in Rule 5 picks in test leagues I have run. I am wondering if the AI is having the same problems as we are with the talent model changes in this version.

I play 2-8 and place heavy reliance on stats. Marcus has said that in OOTP an average MLB level player will be 4 across the board. That being the mid point on the bell curve for talent distribution. He has said in another post he realises that 6, (on the 2-8) is an MLB level player IRL. Maybe the AI is still looking for those "6" guys that are unprotected?

Why would a 6 ever be unprotected? If they exist, questionable in my experience, and aren't wanted they should be tradeable. Rule 5 players are most often guys with undeniable potential who have not shown enough in the previous 4-5 seasons to be on the 25-man roster on better than average teams. On average or poor teams they would be bench players or playing regularly.

[kingtut313]

i have 1-4 players taken from me in the rule 5 draft every year. sometimes they get sent back to me too.

i just had the rule 5 draft in my save earlier today and i lost a rf to the yankees

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by kingtut313

i have 1-4 players taken from me in the rule 5 draft every year. sometimes they get sent back to me too.

i just had the rule 5 draft in my save earlier today and i lost a rf to the yankees

Were they young players or vets?

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by RchW

Do you have all modern day roster rules in place? The Rule 5 draft will not work properly if players can be demoted at will or if there is no 5 year rights of refusal or if there are no waivers etc.

AHA! Rich, once a year or so, you briefly show true genius . . . (J/k. It's more like every eighteen months. )

It's 1920 in my league, and I've been playing this way (historic MLB w/fictional players) since OOTP 14.

But still, hang with me a bit. Why is this? Is it about rules or programming? And even so, why would not the AI still make arrangements and grab a good few players for free? An AI "house rule"?

[kingtut313]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Were they young players or vets?

the rf i just lost was a minor league free agent i signed the previous offseason to flesh out my AAA roster. he was 26-28 years old.

its usually guys like that or guys that i drafted from high school and are a little younger

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

It's 1920 in my league, and I've been playing this way (historic MLB w/fictional players) since OOTP 14.

But still, hang with me a bit. Why is this? Is it about rules or programming? And even so, why would not the AI still make arrangements and grab a good few players for free? An AI "house rule"?

I wonder if it's this. Does this setting for Reserve Clause Era inhibit the AI in the Rule 5 Draft? Are you guys who are seeing AI activity playing with Reserve Clause rules? If you are not and I am seeing this AI passivity because I am, I should not have a Rule 5 Draft because it's a cheat. But why wouldn't the Reserve Clause turn off the Rule 5 Draft by default?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

AHA! Rich, once a year or so, you briefly show true genius . . . (J/k. It's more like every eighteen months. )

Oh Bru, you cut, yet twist the knife.

Why can't you acknowledge my daily genius.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by RchW

Oh Bru, you cut, yet twist the knife.

Why can't you acknowledge my daily genius.

OK, you are a daily genius!

Now, demonstrate it, please. Do you think my playing in the Reserve Clause Era inhibits the AI with the Rule 5 Draft?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

OK, you are a daily genius!

Now, demonstrate it, please. Do you think my playing in the Reserve Clause Era inhibits the AI with the Rule 5 Draft?

Yes.