Random Scoring Rule Question

[illeracula]

I help coach my nephew's baseball team and last weekend we had a fairly normal play happen. Runner misses the base, appeal he is out... The hitter is the one that missed 3rd base, the runners in front of him (first and second) both scored. The hitter is called out, 2 runs scored...

This got me thinking... What if the runner on second missed 3rd base, and we appealed that it was the first runner. Assuming it was an inside-the-park homerun. What happens with the other runners.

Trying to clarify the above paragraph >>
Runners on first and second. One out. Hitter smashes the ball over the RF'es head. All 3 players score. An appeal is made that the runner who was on second missed 3rd base. What happens to the runner on first and the hitter? Do they both score? Do they have to go back to 2nd and 1st?

Just a random thought. Thanks for your comments.

[MorseMoose]

If I'm reading it right, I would say that no runs score; the guy on second would be called out for missing 3rd (on the appeal) and the guy on first (and hitting) would be out because they "passed" him on the basepaths.

Though, I'm not quite sure I'm reading what you're asking correctly.

[illeracula]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

If I'm reading it right, I would say that no runs score; the guy on second would be called out for missing 3rd (on the appeal) and the guy on first (and hitting) would be out because they "passed" him on the basepaths.

Though, I'm not quite sure I'm reading what you're asking correctly.

You are reading it right. Does that mean if no one was out that'd be a triple play because they "passed" him on the base paths or would they get sent back?

Thanks for the answer.

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by illeracula

You are reading it right. Does that mean if no one was out that'd be a triple play because they "passed" him on the base paths or would they get sent back?

Thanks for the answer.

I guess I'd say it would end as a triple play.

Though, there are better people here than me to answer the question and cite rules. I could easily be wrong. I guess I don't think they'd "send them back" in a situation like this.

[Tib]

Typically, an appeal that does not specifically mention the transgressing player or situation is void and the play stands.

In baseball, appeals may only be made by a player on the field to an umpire. In youth baseball this may have changed (it has changed in softball). It's possible the coaches may voice the official appeal to the ump now.

Now, if the appeal was done incorrectly the play stands. If the appeal was done correctly the runner is out. If the appeal out was the third out, any runner who scored before the runner counts. In all cases, if a runner passes another runner on the basepaths the umpire should make an immediate ruling to avoid confusion. The fact that other runners may have "passed" the runner who misssed the bag is irrelevant because at the time the runner was not "out". A missed bag is not an automatic call by the umpire. It must be appealed.

[Tib]

Originally Posted by illeracula

Trying to clarify the above paragraph >>
Runners on first and second. One out. Hitter smashes the ball over the RF'es head. All 3 players score. An appeal is made that the runner who was on second missed 3rd base. What happens to the runner on first and the hitter? Do they both score? Do they have to go back to 2nd and 1st?

Just a random thought. Thanks for your comments.

To clarify my answer above:

In this situation the runner would be out on the appeal if it was done correctly and the umpire actually saw him miss third. The rest of the play would stand because the appeal was not the third out. In short, runners who advance safely on a fair batted ball are not penalized because a teammate missed a base.

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by Tib

To clarify my answer above:

In this situation the runner would be out on the appeal if it was done correctly and the umpire actually saw him miss third. The rest of the play would stand because the appeal was not the third out. In short, runners who advance safely on a fair batted ball are not penalized because a teammate missed a base.

My apologies for being wrong!

[Tib]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

My apologies for being wrong!

No apology necessary. This is my understanding of a somewhat complicated situation.

I am going to try to find the rule if I can.

[illeracula]

Thanks for the responses. Just one of those things that could happen, especially with 14-15 year olds.

Thanks again

[Faroo6]

That would be the coolest triple play though if all three runners were declared out. Can you imagine that being added to the OOTP play by play?

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Faroo6

That would be the coolest triple play though if all three runners were declared out. Can you imagine that being added to the OOTP play by play?

Reminded me of the way to get a triple play with no fielder touching the ball lol (infield fly, runner from first passes guy on second, ball lands on guy on second's head, IIRC).