Fantasy ballplayers for Warhammer/Blood Bowl

[hawaiiansky]

With Facegen, we now can create images of goblins, ogres, etc. for a Warhammer/Blood Bowl league. News about a related Dynasty coming soon.

Here are my first attempts:

Goblin


Ogre


Orc


Halfling (Frodo)


Anyone attempting new fantasy races with Facegen?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by hawaiiansky

Am I'm the only one attempting this?

I don't know if you're the only one doing a Warhammer league but fantasy OOTP has been around for a while: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...it-league.html

[hawaiiansky]

Meant using Facegen for Blood Bowl races.
I haven't forgotten the famed Hobbit League!
Your hobbit ballplayers (and fields) were great!
Do you still have them posted anywhere?
I find it hard to replicate hobbits/halflings with Facegen. Any ideas?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by hawaiiansky

Do you still have them posted anywhere?

Most of what I have is posted in that thread or in a couple of others. A search for "hobbit" by "bobble" should show you any of the threads where I posted stuff.

Originally Posted by hawaiiansky

I find it hard to replicate hobbits/halflings with Facegen. Any ideas?

Now that I think about it, I vaguely remember that someone was doing a Warhammer league a version or two back if you want to search the forum for it. Might give you some ideas (unless it was you that was doing it back then, too!)

When I was doing hobbits, I did them from Facegen. Now that you can import from Facegen, it would be better but you'd have to do each guy individually. Wide faces, big eyes, small nose are some of the facial tweaks that I remember doing.

If you're not going to do them all by hand, then probably at least up the player's weight. I think that will give you the super-big head look that Facegen seems to want to throw out there. Then, you could always keep regenerating a particular player's face until you got one that was hobbit-like.

The tweaks I did for the orc in that hobbit league thread were shift to green skin color, make angry, darken around the eyes, thin lips with no color. Seemed to work well enough.

I'll be interested to see how it turns out for you.

[hawaiiansky]

Thanks for the advice on hobbit creation.

I will certainly give hobbits a try and post here when I've fooled around with them awhile.

I was also thinking of long, thin faces, pale skin for dark elves using Facegen.

For orcs and ogres, I'll search for images online since they have tusks and show up later in Facegen .fg files.

I saw that previous thread on Warhammer Baseball and even inquired once about an update, but there was no response.

I think my dynasty will be different in that it is more inspired by Blood Bowl rather than Warhammer. Also, the setting is an alternate America, so no Old World locations.

[hawaiiansky]

Some Bloodball players in team uniforms

Halfling from Blitzburgh Pieplates



Goblin from Bosstown Red Pox



Orc from New Ork Yanknecks

[hawaiiansky]

Dark elf from Quikargo Frightsox



Hobbit from Killerelfia Fatlickers

[hawaiiansky]

Dark elf from Killerelfia Philbellies

[hawaiiansky]

... and some teammates



I'm trying to get a menacing cartoonish look for the dark elf players. Comments?

[hawaiiansky]

Dwarfs in Blood Bowl have huge moustaches and long full beards. Here's one I did in Paint Shop Pro (first try), but time consuming one-by-one.



I'd like to create something for dwarfs that will create this kind of facial hair automatically like in Bobbles's hair mods.

Does anyone know if this is possible, or could anyone make such a mod?
Or is hair limited to the face?

[micropterus58]

Bobble has tried to make big handlebar mustaches but due to Facegen he could only make beards and mustaches that are close to the face. My suggestion is to look at Bobble's files. You will notice that the files have some texture. You are on the right track with PSP. Try copying a selection from Bobbles image and use it as a pattern. Copy the selection, change it to grayscale. Create a new image. Paste the grayscale image as a layer. Change the Blend Mode to Multiply (or any other). Add a color raster layer below. Adjust the opacity of the grayscale layer and the color will will show through with the texture showing so the mustsche or beard will look like hair. Group the two layers. Paste this group over the facegen image. Modify the size and position on the player. In a couple of minutes you can make different colors and shapes. If you need an example let me know, send me a PM with your email address and what version of PSP you use. I have X2. The first image is a blue stash, second is the grayscale. Maybe you'll get better results than my 2 minutes of effort. Unfortunately it's hard to see any texture. Your other choice is to use the airbrush to add hair. Use a pattern that is not solid to simulate the texture. Lower the opacity/hardness to progressively add the hair.

[hawaiiansky]

Originally Posted by micropterus58

Bobble has tried to make big handlebar mustaches but due to Facegen he could only make beards and mustaches that are close to the face. My suggestion is to look at Bobble's files. You will notice that the files have some texture. You are on the right track with PSP. Try copying a selection from Bobbles image and use it as a pattern. Copy the selection, change it to grayscale. Create a new image. Paste the grayscale image as a layer. Change the Blend Mode to Multiply (or any other). Add a color raster layer below. Adjust the opacity of the grayscale layer and the color will will show through with the texture showing so the mustsche or beard will look like hair. Group the two layers. Paste this group over the facegen image. Modify the size and position on the player. In a couple of minutes you can make different colors and shapes. If you need an example let me know, send me a PM with your email address and what version of PSP you use. I have X2. The first image is a blue stash, second is the grayscale. Maybe you'll get better results than my 2 minutes of effort. Unfortunately it's hard to see any texture. Your other choice is to use the airbrush to add hair. Use a pattern that is not solid to simulate the texture. Lower the opacity/hardness to progressively add the hair.

Thanks a lot for your detailed suggestions. I haven't worked with layers in PSP 7 yet, but I'll certainly give it the old college try. I have Bobble's templates. I really need the beards to be longer and off the face and the moustaches drooping to get a look similar to Blood Bowl dwarfs. I knew about the limitations that Bobble mentioned, so maybe it's not possible especially with my lack of skills!

[hawaiiansky]

Here's some baseball cards I've modified and created for my Mage League Bloodball dynasty.

[Goody]

hawaiiansky, I've never messed around with facegen modding but I've been following your posts about Mage League Bloodbowl. I've learned a lot about what is possible and what's out there with the facegen stuff just by reading your threads only.

I hope someday I have enough time to get into facegen modding. Your goblins and orcs look especially good. The hobbits too.

Why do the elves look like their faces are powdered? Maybe it needs a little more opacity of blended with a flesh tone? If you haven't started working with layers yet, you really should! You'll be amazed how helpful it will be once you get the hang of it.

[hawaiiansky]

Originally Posted by Goody

hawaiiansky, I've never messed around with facegen modding but I've been following your posts about Mage League Bloodbowl. I've learned a lot about what is possible and what's out there with the facegen stuff just by reading your threads only.

I hope someday I have enough time to get into facegen modding. Your goblins and orcs look especially good. The hobbits too.

Why do the elves look like their faces are powdered? Maybe it needs a little more opacity of blended with a flesh tone? If you haven't started working with layers yet, you really should! You'll be amazed how helpful it will be once you get the hang of it.

Thanks, Goody. Welcome to fringe mods! It was an experiment, and what I can accomplish depends mostly on what photos, illustrations, etc. I can locate in the first place online.

I'm pleased with the orcs and goblins too. I'm still working on perfecting halflings, uh, hobbits, and ogres. Ogres are tough because there aren't many images of these with protruding tusks and I'm trying to get the look of blood bowl types. Difficult to have these tusks appear properly in facegen.

The pasty, washed-out powdery look is deliberate and that is what I can create using Photofit in facegen by making them extremely pale to distinguish them from elves. I haven't worked in layers using Paintshop Pro. Everything you see results from the Facegen Modeller program.

I did add the beard in the dwarf though using PSP. A future project is to get proper beard templates for them since in-game dwarfs look too clean-cut. PSP was used for the bloodball cards.

Lately with the 11.2.18 update screwing up facegen pictures created outside the game, I've paid more attention to writing the bloodball dynasty and an XML file for it.

If you come up with any of your own fantasy pictures, why not share them here!