Another Scoring Bug

bobm64 · 07-11-2007, 03:22 PM

The program gave Tiant and unearned run. This run shcould be earned. Please see the gamelog below: Thanks

<TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 4px; PADDING-TOP: 4px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" colSpan=2>Bottom of the 2nd - Kansas City Athletics batting - Pitching for Cleveland Indians : RHP L. Tiant</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB B. Bryan</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ground out 4-3 (Groundball, 34)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB L. Stahl</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: Ball
1-0: DOUBLE (Groundball, 5L)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB E. Charles</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball
1-0: Reached on error, E6 (Groundball, 6S)
L. Stahl to third
L. Stahl scores</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB W. Causey</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 6M)
E. Charles to second</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB D. Green</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball
1-0: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 5-4 (Groundball, 5)
E. Charles to third</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB M. Drabowsky</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LS)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=h2l colSpan=2>Bottom of the 2nd over - 1 run(s), 2 hit(s), 1 error(s), 2 left on base; Cleveland 2 - Kansas City 1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Curtis · 07-11-2007, 04:02 PM

I guess the only question would be whether the runner on second would've advanced to third on the grounder to short, or if he would've held at second. If he held, the subsequent groundball single wouldn't've scored him, and it would've been first and third with two outs when Green hit into the fielder's choice, which would've been a force out and negated the run.

I know the Mets often don't advance on infield hits in non-force situations, unless there were two outs or a hit-and-run is on.

Does anyone see something I'm missing?

bobm64 · 07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

You are correct in that assesment. I guess it was an offical scorer's call that he wouldn't have scored from 2nd on the following single. Excellent analysis.

Curtis · 07-11-2007, 04:41 PM

I love these scoring questions, even though I often get them wrong. They remind me of a book that came with my Baseball Strategy game from Avalon Hill over a third of a century ago, "Knotty Problems of Baseball". Bunches of "What's the umpire's (or scorekeeper's) ruling in this case?" questions. Almost as much fun as the game.

If you get any more of these, please post them!

07-11-2007, 03:22 PM	#1
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19	Another Scoring Bug The program gave Tiant and unearned run. This run shcould be earned. Please see the gamelog below: Thanks <TABLE class=lpo style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=h4 style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 4px; PADDING-TOP: 4px; TEXT-ALIGN: left" colSpan=2>Bottom of the 2nd - Kansas City Athletics batting - Pitching for Cleveland Indians : RHP L. Tiant</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB B. Bryan</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball 1-0: Called Strike 1-1: Ball 2-1: Ground out 4-3 (Groundball, 34)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB L. Stahl</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: Ball 1-0: DOUBLE (Groundball, 5L)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB E. Charles</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball 1-0: Reached on error, E6 (Groundball, 6S) L. Stahl to third L. Stahl scores</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: LHB W. Causey</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 6M) E. Charles to second</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slgb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB D. Green</TD><TD class=slg>0-0: Ball 1-0: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 5-4 (Groundball, 5) E. Charles to third</TD></TR><TR><TD class=slb vAlign=top width=240>Batting: RHB M. Drabowsky</TD><TD class=sl>0-0: Ball 1-0: Ball 2-0: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LS)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=h2l colSpan=2>Bottom of the 2nd over - 1 run(s), 2 hit(s), 1 error(s), 2 left on base; Cleveland 2 - Kansas City 1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

07-11-2007, 04:18 PM	#3
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19	Good Call You are correct in that assesment. I guess it was an offical scorer's call that he wouldn't have scored from 2nd on the following single. Excellent analysis.

07-11-2007, 04:02 PM	#2
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I guess the only question would be whether the runner on second would've advanced to third on the grounder to short, or if he would've held at second. If he held, the subsequent groundball single wouldn't've scored him, and it would've been first and third with two outs when Green hit into the fielder's choice, which would've been a force out and negated the run. I know the Mets often don't advance on infield hits in non-force situations, unless there were two outs or a hit-and-run is on. Does anyone see something I'm missing?

07-11-2007, 04:41 PM	#4
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I love these scoring questions, even though I often get them wrong. They remind me of a book that came with my Baseball Strategy game from Avalon Hill over a third of a century ago, "Knotty Problems of Baseball". Bunches of "What's the umpire's (or scorekeeper's) ruling in this case?" questions. Almost as much fun as the game. If you get any more of these, please post them!