SBC (Predecessor of SRL) Champions going into 1877 season

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Some new uniforms for the Portland Buckaroos. They will probably need more work done on them, and certainly need some other items as well, of course, but here's what I have so far for them, to be sure. I don't know when they might be created for sure, just yet, obviously, but I wouldn't look for them in any dynasties not up to at least the 1931 season, if they didn't or don't start then or later on. Hope you like them, folks. That is all. CD out.

The nickname Buckaroos needs better contrast... in my opinion it should stand out more.
You might try to use a light tan color instead of the dark brown color... the nickname might show up more clearly that way.... try it and see.

Not my favorite colors for a baseball team, but they do go together well.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

So do you have any possible suggestions for San Diego, Eugene, seeing as they may be the only prospective team in this potential future league yet needing a nickname to be chosen for them? I'm just wondering, that's all. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

San Diego Sailors... main industry is naval and defense industries... also tourism.

Just use Navy Blue and White for the colors... or perhaps Navy Blue, Light Blue and White... use Navy colors... you might mix in some Bright or Yellow Gold, too... for the gold braid on officer's caps and uniforms.

San Diego Mariachis... near to Tijuana, Mexico and Spanish heritage... also tourist related.

Use the colors on the City Seal and Flag.

Just use the Dark Red, Yellow Gold and perhaps some Black... no other colors if you choose the name Mariachis.

Use Mariachi Trumpets and Sombreros for the logo.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Those may be possibilities, although the colors I was thinking of for the San Diego team are a burgundy, a green, and a sand color, to be honest. The other colors you suggested are probably already in use or nearly so, for certain other teams. So I was thinking of using different colors for San Diego.

Tell you what, I'll make up some provisional uniforms, with no text for the time being, and then you can let me know what you think of them. I should have some made hopefully by sometime this afternoon or evening Central Time at the latest, I think. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Those may be possibilities, although the colors I was thinking of for the San Diego team are a burgundy, a green, and a sand color, to be honest. The other colors you suggested are probably already in use or nearly so, for certain other teams. So I was thinking of using different colors for San Diego.

Tell you what, I'll make up some provisional uniforms, with no text for the time being, and then you can let me know what you think of them. I should have some made hopefully by sometime this afternoon or evening Central Time at the latest, I think. CD out.

Why do you not like to use colors that have been used before for nicknames?

There is a reason why people use certain colors with certain cities and nicknames... the reason is that the colors fit the town or the nickname... the colors relate to the town or the nickname... that is what most people want in their logos and jerseys.

Not to use a color for a town or nickname just because it has been used before really severely limits your choices.

CD, you are the only person I know that feels this way.

That is why no one will do graphics for you... you are much too hard to please.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I'm not saying I'd never use certain team names or certain colors, but as you know, I might have a lot of teams and leagues in my dynasties, either now or in the future, and some places may have multiple teams in those dynasties. That's what I'm talking about here.

I'm not saying certain colors or names aren't appropriate for certain places, but when you have multiple teams in the same places, you need to have some variety in looks and names and all, you know. No matter what sport said teams may play, of course.

These teams will likely begin play closer to the Space Age, if not starting in it, so it will probably be several months in real-time, at least, before I create the relevant league or leagues, if I'm not too mistaken here. Remember, I'm still working on my latest story. But I'm just mainly experimenting here with various looks and all, as best as I can, for various teams that may or may not ever be created to be part of any dynasties I might have or do already have, to be honest, whenever I get inspired to make new things for potential teams and all while working on said story.

As for already-used colors and names, as I've probably already said, I'm planning to perhaps use any number of them for various teams belonging to various leagues in certain dynasties, if and when I can. This prospective league, however, I'm thinking of having it eventually seek to compete against other leagues for world titles and/or players, et cetera.

I still have a lot of details and all to figure out for it, but I might go with strategy and/or statistical outputs appropriate for the 1930s or 1940s or 1950s, I think. And maybe financial figures could be appropriate to those from the 1950s to 1980s timeframe, at least for this league, if possible.

By the time this league is created, perhaps there'll be at least eight to sixteen leagues sending their teams to an overall global tournament, if not more. But we'd have to see about that, of course, Lord willing.

However, I'd like to get at least three to five more chapters done before any of my dynasties that hasn't already been started around the 1930's, if not later, reaches that year, and that year may not be reached with any of my dynasties started before 1931 for quite some time yet. So I've got time to work on these teams' looks, if that's the case, Lord willing, in the meantime, as I work on my latest story, I'm sure.

Thank you for your input and all. Yes, I may be picky, at times, but I've certainly been trying to work on that since September, right? You have been picky too, at times, you know, but you have been able to still get great work done for you, even so, for one reason or another, for sure. But this isn't about you, it's about me, if I get your drift sufficiently well here. I'm not always too hard to please. But I do admit I can be rather frustrating at times, for sure.

Talk more with you later, I hope, of course. Please take care, and let's see what the Lord inspires me to create here, then, for sure, if anything. With warmest of wishes for your health and the health of all those around you, Eugene, please stay as safe as you can wherever you are now, of course, I hope. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Wait a minute here, for I just thought of something, after seeing you mention sombreros and all here. How about San Diego Sombreros or something similar? That might work, I think. Maybe a musical sailor wearing a sombrero could be used for the logo, then, or at least one related logo, anyway. Thank you for the idea, or at least the inspiration, Eugene. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Wait a minute here, for I just thought of something, after seeing you mention sombreros and all here. How about San Diego Sombreros or something similar? That might work, I think. Maybe a musical sailor wearing a sombrero could be used for the logo, then, or at least one related logo, anyway. Thank you for the idea, or at least the inspiration, Eugene. CD out.

They had a saying in the 1950s... "That's far out, man"... meaning "radical, unconventional, extreme, offbeat, wacky".

That's what your leagues are like, CD...not just "far out", but "far, far out".

No one would put a sombrero on a sailor except for you.

But, as I have often said in dealing with you: it's your league... play it the way you want to play it.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Glad to know you, in any case, Eugene. I don't know yet whether this proposed league will ever be created, but if it is, it might be interesting to see what might happen in it, I think.

The uniforms so far don't evidently work for earlier times, but they might work well in more recent eras, somehow. Just when, not sure yet, but maybe by 1960 or so, more or less?

I'm working on these whenever inspiration strikes and all, and whenever I'm not otherwise occupied with anything else, with some better items showing up along the way. Now if I could do logos, that would be even better, I'm sure, of course. Maybe someday I can do so myself, but have not yet been able to make things sufficiently well with pickoff, unfortunately.

Talk more later, I hope. Take care, Eugene. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Glad to know you, in any case, Eugene. I don't know yet whether this proposed league will ever be created, but if it is, it might be interesting to see what might happen in it, I think.

The uniforms so far don't evidently work for earlier times, but they might work well in more recent eras, somehow. Just when, not sure yet, but maybe by 1960 or so, more or less?

I'm working on these whenever inspiration strikes and all, and whenever I'm not otherwise occupied with anything else, with some better items showing up along the way. Now if I could do logos, that would be even better, I'm sure, of course. Maybe someday I can do so myself, but have not yet been able to make things sufficiently well with pickoff, unfortunately.

Talk more later, I hope. Take care, Eugene. CD out.

I hope you get your league one of these days, too, CD.
But at the pace you are going, it will never happen.

Why don't you just use a quickstart game that is already complete with logos, jerseys and caps and use it and start to enjoy playing OOTPB like most people do?
Start it in 1871 and then add to it as you go through the years.

All you ever do is create jerseys and caps... you say you want to start your league in the 1870s, but all the jerseys you create are 1940s, 50s and such... this doesn't make sense.

It is a waste of time to create jerseys for leagues that you will probably not ever play.

Just my two cents worth.

[Eugene Church]

CD, you might find some good pre-1900 graphics here.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=307049

I'm sure they will be traditional style, which you don't like... but anyway, I thought it might help you get your dynasty up and running with quality graphics.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I didn't say I didn't like traditional looks, but by your definition of traditional looks, my looks may not necessarily fit such a definition, often. Traditional looks can be different for every country and/or league or team, you know, whether the countries, leagues, and/or teams are real or not.

Different cultures and/or nations, et cetera, may have different ideas of what would be traditional for them, I think. Whether in naming conventions or color usage, et cetera, they might still have different ideas of what would be traditional for them, just the same.

I can see where you are coming from, believe it or not, but there is also merit in some of what I've said regarding certain teams and leagues and countries, as well, I'm sure. With fictional places and leagues and teams and players, what may be considered traditional for real-world places, et cetera, may not be considered so for them.

I do agree, though, that in more traditional settings and situations, et cetera, certain looks may be more appropriate than others, in any case. But that doesn't mean that one can't necessarily experiment a little bit at times with certain teams, leagues, and all, does it? There are at least a few teams that could probably stand to have some changes made to their current or recent looks, I think, in all four of the major sports leagues. Or at least potential alternate versions of their branding looks. Maybe even mashups inspired by other teams where they are or near where they are, in fact.

That was one of the ideas I had in mind when I posted my mashup idea thread in the Graphics Forum, and I was wondering what others might have in mind if they were to mashup certain teams' looks with each other, et cetera. But so far, nobody's really explored that sort of thing here, I think. I had other ideas for things people could chime in on, even if they didn't actually make items that they'd post in the related thread or threads, come to think of it.

Thank you for your input and all here. Not sure yet on what I want to potentially call that prospective team from San Diego yet, but I think someone suggested a while back the name San Diego Sombreros for a team. No luck yet on finding any related graphics for such a team, however, it seems. Think I have one more scene to write for chapter eight, and it may take a while to write up, perhaps.

Chapter nine will probably take me at least a few weeks to write, and then chapter ten might too. I hope I can get at least chapter ten written out in first-draft status by the 4th of July, but we'll have to see about that.

I don't know if baseball will be mentioned at all, or at least periodically, in this story I'm working on, but we'll have to see, supposing it's not already mentioned in it by now. If it is, or will be, I'm not sure which dynasty may be the primary one with teams and leagues from it mentioned in the story.

Will keep you posted on things as time permits and all, Lord willing. Whether with my leagues, my story, or anything else, I will, I expect, every so often. Please take care and try to stay as safe and as healthy as you possibly can. Shalom, Eugene. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

I didn't say I didn't like traditional looks, but by your definition of traditional looks, my looks may not necessarily fit such a definition, often. Traditional looks can be different for every country and/or league or team, you know, whether the countries, leagues, and/or teams are real or not.

Different cultures and/or nations, et cetera, may have different ideas of what would be traditional for them, I think. Whether in naming conventions or color usage, et cetera, they might still have different ideas of what would be traditional for them, just the same.

I can see where you are coming from, believe it or not, but there is also merit in some of what I've said regarding certain teams and leagues and countries, as well, I'm sure. With fictional places and leagues and teams and players, what may be considered traditional for real-world places, et cetera, may not be considered so for them.

I do agree, though, that in more traditional settings and situations, et cetera, certain looks may be more appropriate than others, in any case. But that doesn't mean that one can't necessarily experiment a little bit at times with certain teams, leagues, and all, does it? There are at least a few teams that could probably stand to have some changes made to their current or recent looks, I think, in all four of the major sports leagues. Or at least potential alternate versions of their branding looks. Maybe even mashups inspired by other teams where they are or near where they are, in fact.

That was one of the ideas I had in mind when I posted my mashup idea thread in the Graphics Forum, and I was wondering what others might have in mind if they were to mashup certain teams' looks with each other, et cetera. But so far, nobody's really explored that sort of thing here, I think. I had other ideas for things people could chime in on, even if they didn't actually make items that they'd post in the related thread or threads, come to think of it.

Thank you for your input and all here. Not sure yet on what I want to potentially call that prospective team from San Diego yet, but I think someone suggested a while back the name San Diego Sombreros for a team. No luck yet on finding any related graphics for such a team, however, it seems. Think I have one more scene to write for chapter eight, and it may take a while to write up, perhaps.

Chapter nine will probably take me at least a few weeks to write, and then chapter ten might too. I hope I can get at least chapter ten written out in first-draft status by the 4th of July, but we'll have to see about that.

I don't know if baseball will be mentioned at all, or at least periodically, in this story I'm working on, but we'll have to see, supposing it's not already mentioned in it by now. If it is, or will be, I'm not sure which dynasty may be the primary one with teams and leagues from it mentioned in the story.

Will keep you posted on things as time permits and all, Lord willing. Whether with my leagues, my story, or anything else, I will, I expect, every so often. Please take care and try to stay as safe and as healthy as you possibly can. Shalom, Eugene. CD out.

Sorry, CD... I am not interested in debating you about your unique tastes in team nicknames, logos, jerseys and caps... no explanation needed... your tastes are just different... no need to write out a long dissertation.

I like traditional American-type baseball in 1950s style... not interested in other cultures or dream worlds and their life styles and practices... just good old-fashioned American baseball is fine for me.

I just thought you might want to get some 1870-type logos and jerseys.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Downloaded the zip file, and that should help considerably, I hope. Thanks for the advice and all, Eugene. I wasn't trying to debate you, just trying to explain my thought processes and all here at least a little, so that you could hopefully understand me at least a little bit better.

Maybe one of these days or weeks or whatever, I'll actually make it into the fifties with a dynasty that starts before then, of course. Only time will tell if and when that happens, Lord willing, though, you know.

You do follow other dynasties not set in North America, and all, too. So you are at least a little interested in other cultures and dream worlds, et cetera, as evidenced by several of your recent posts. Even if you won't create them for yourself necessarily, you still are, to at least some degree.

Nothing wrong with preferring what you prefer in dynasties, et cetera, of course. I too think that earlier eras of baseball history are better in certain respects than more modern ones, in truth. But the modern game has some advantages as well, I think. It just takes a while sometimes to find the proper balance in a dynasty of modernity and traditional aspects, though, I'm sure.

Thank you for your input and friendship and all. And I hope someday to meet you in person, whether in this life or the next, in complete honesty, Eugene. Lord willing, of course. But whether or not we meet in this life, at least, let's both try to do whatever the Lord leads us to do in it as best as we possibly can while we're still here on Earth, whenever we can, no matter what it is, for His glory and all, for sure. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

That was one of the ideas I had in mind when I posted my mashup idea thread in the Graphics Forum, and I was wondering what others might have in mind if they were to mashup certain teams' looks with each other, et cetera. But so far, nobody's really explored that sort of thing here, I think. I had other ideas for things people could chime in on, even if they didn't actually make items that they'd post in the related thread or threads, come to think of it.


CD out.

CD, there is a reason nobody explores that sort of thing... people are mainly interested in mass appeal baseball styles... there is no interest in your ideas... you views and tastes are too different from the vast majority of the OOTP Community.

That's why you don't get responses to your posts and ideas.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

So my interests are more along the lines of niche work, in essence, and not many are apparently all that interested in that sort of thing around here? Certainly there is room enough for people to fill certain niches in the OOTP/FHM/whatever communities people might be part of in this world of ours, right? We just have to find those who might be interested in more unique ideas and all, more or less, then, if they're around here or elsewhere in the world? CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Downloaded the zip file, and that should help considerably, I hope. Thanks for the advice and all, Eugene. I wasn't trying to debate you, just trying to explain my thought processes and all here at least a little, so that you could hopefully understand me at least a little bit better.


You do follow other dynasties not set in North America, and all, too. So you are at least a little interested in other cultures and dream worlds, et cetera, as evidenced by several of your recent posts. Even if you won't create them for yourself necessarily, you still are, to at least some degree.


CD out.

CD, after two years of corresponding with you, I think I know what your tastes are... no need to explain them at length to me... you have already done it many, many times in the past.

No, you are incorrect... I am not interested in other cultures and dream worlds... I only read Dynasty Leagues that are based on traditional American-style baseball... leagues that have hobbits, aliens, Star Wars characters do not interest me.

I do create mythical countries and leagues, but they are all realistic-style American baseball and baseball traditions... I have no weird or unique nicknames in my leagues... all of them are based on real life.

But it is fine with me, if someone wants to play OOTP in a different manner than me... that's the great thing about the game... you can play it your way.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

As far as my items, maybe others might like them enough at certain times to perhaps eventually download them, and actually use them for their own games. It may not happen often, if at all, but maybe some people might be interested enough in them to do so, and all, I think, every so often.

However, you are probably right that many people may not like how I do certain things often, and that's their right and all, of course. Whether it's fair or not, et cetera, they still have that right and all, you know. Or should have that right, whenever and however possible, that is.

In any case, I will continue to do the best I can in all that I do, or at least try to do the best I can, so that our Lord gets all the real glory for what I do, et cetera, as He deserves it far more than little me in His world. Will I make mistakes and all at times? Certainly I will, Eugene. But as long as I do the best that I can to do His will and all, I'm sure everything will work out as it should, et cetera.

Talk more with you later, I hope. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Going to see what I can find for the Chefs nickname. Might use it for San Diego, to reflect the culinary variety there in terms of cuisine in the area. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Some new uniforms for the San Diego Chefs. They will probably need more work done on them later, of course, but here's what I have for the prospective team so far, in any case. Probably will be created circa 1940 or 1950 for a dynasty, I think. That is all. CD out.