Edison Miranda vs Allen Green - Page 5

hamed · 02-27-2007, 04:12 PM

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Gonna be a lot of us eating Zima's crow if we are wrong LOL

And yet one more reason - boxing is a fun sport to watch.

Despite what all those namby pamby people who want to ban it say.

a87star · 02-27-2007, 04:18 PM

Allan does seem to be a nice guy but his handlers and people around him have seemed to have gotten into his head that he is better than what he really is. I bet these same people who say they truly want him to succeed in the sport will drop him once he loses to Miranda. The only ones that are benefiting from this are the promoters who will probably make a substancial amount of money off his name and noteriety of beating a highly decorated amateur with potential.

That being said, Allan's career has been made up of carefully picked opponents and if I was his promoter, he would still be facing guys right below the contenders (eg. Reid, Pemberton, and Sheika). He definitely needs that type of experience before facing any good or top fighters in the SMW division. This kid is nowhere ready to face someone like Miranda.

mh2365 · 02-27-2007, 05:28 PM

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I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong. Anything can happen in a boxing ring, but I believe the odds are stacked in our favor on this one. Guess we'll find out Saturday. BTW, I was up in your neck of the woods the other day. Louisville is a beautiful place!

Should of hit me up could had lunch or something .... You're in TN right?

mh2365 · 02-27-2007, 05:31 PM

See that's part of the problem here, while I think Green could be good, he has faced no one as of yet. I mean no one. You can't name one even below average fighter on his resume.

If he had paid his dues against the Pemberton's Sheika's and so on then someone could have some hope. At least Lacy fought those guys before stepping in against Calzaghe. Miranda is one of the top 5 MW's and Green has just bitten off more than he can chew. I hope he can bounce back from this.

Oh yeah I'm watching the showtime fights Saturday night and recording the HBO fights. So if Green wins I won't be on until around noon on Sunday to eat my crow LOL

hamed · 02-27-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

If he had paid his dues against the Pemberton's Sheika's and so on then someone could have some hope. At least Lacy fought those guys before stepping in against Calzaghe. Miranda is one of the top 5 MW's and Green has just bitten off more than he can chew. I hope he can bounce back from this.

Like Codrington has?

mh2365 · 02-27-2007, 06:07 PM

Actually he hasn't done that bad. 5-0 against decent competition including Carl Daniels and Thomas Reid. Those two wins are as good as anything Green has on his resume. Of course Daniels is 3-7 in his last 10 and Reid is 4-6. So you know.

Looking at Greens' resume Anthony Bonsante might be his best win .. that's not something you want to hold up going into a fight with a guy like Miranda.

I really wasn't rooting for either guy until Zima went all fanboy on us LOL. Either way I'll be on here with congrats to Zima if Green steps up big in the fight.

wildhawke11 · 02-27-2007, 09:50 PM

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Just watched Allan Green get his world rocked in the 3rd round vs Donnie McCrary on youtube. Yes, Green did come back and stop him in the 6th, but the fact that he could be floored by a guy whose HP I would rate no higher than a "5" at middleweight, says something for his chin (or lack of.)

Edison's HP is probably around "11" at MW. Bad things are going to happen when he starts connecting against Allan. Ask perennial contender Howard Eastman and world champion Arthur Abraham how hard this guy hits. Green is in trouble, simple as that.

Check out a certain fighter in the Retired MW division of TBCB if you think a guy with only a 5 HP could not floor a lot of fighters with a fair to good chin. Save you looking i will give you his name *Sugar Ray Robinson* considered by many including Ali himself as the best P4P fighter ever. Dont worry Mr Big i know you forgot and there is no comparison but i could not resist the temptation to post this

a87star · 02-27-2007, 10:09 PM

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Like Codrington has?

Like Mike said, Codrington has won his last five fights and two of them came against two tough veterans in Robert Daniels and Thomas Reid but i've seen those two fights and another one against Robert Marsh who is a professional opponent and he looks like a fighter with damaged confidence. Whatever killer instinct Codrington did have is now gone and doesn't go for the kill when he has an opponent hurt. Chris Gotti has single handedly ruined Codrington's career.

mh2365 · 02-27-2007, 10:32 PM

Yeah I was going off of boxrec, I noticed he knocked both vets down but didn't finish them. Who was Gotti's other guy that got KTFO also?

a87star · 02-27-2007, 11:23 PM

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Yeah I was going off of boxrec, I noticed he knocked both vets down but didn't finish them. Who was Gotti's other guy that got KTFO also?

The other half of the "Chin Checkers", Curtis Stevens. He lost to well traveled veteran Marcos Primera who has fought a lot of top fighters from WW to MW. Stevens was winning the fight on all cards and he got caught with a good punch and was stunned and ref stopped it because he wasn't throwing punches and in the process was taking unecessary punishment. He has avenged the loss to Primera four months later and since then has won the New York State LHW Title.

Mr Big · 02-28-2007, 02:39 AM

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Should of hit me up could had lunch or something .... You're in TN right?

Yes, I am between Knoxville and Nashville. Was kind of a last minute trip. Definitely need to get together sometime.

Mr Big · 02-28-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wildhawke11

Check out a certain fighter in the Retired MW division of TBCB if you think a guy with only a 5 HP could not floor a lot of fighters with a fair to good chin. Save you looking i will give you his name *Sugar Ray Robinson* considered by many including Ali himself as the best P4P fighter ever. Dont worry Mr Big i know you forgot and there is no comparison but i could not resist the temptation to post this

I see your point, but, as stated, Donnie McCrary is no Sugar Ray Robinson. Also, in all honesty, I think I might place Robinson's HP higher than a "5" at middleweight. Will have to investigate further before making a final decision. Do you think that 5 is a correct rating?

Mr Big · 02-28-2007, 03:03 AM

Has anyone realized that this fight is taking place in Miranda's backyard? (San Juan, Puerto Rico). Boxrec lists this as his hometown. (Although he was born in Buenaventura, Columbia). The location really puts added pressure on Green to try and stop him, possibly luring him into a slugfest. I don't know about you guys, but with the added factor of homefield advantage, I'm liking Edison's chances even more than before.

mh2365 · 02-28-2007, 06:18 AM

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Yes, I am between Knoxville and Nashville. Was kind of a last minute trip. Definitely need to get together sometime.

Maybe we should get you, Fuente and the wives or g/f's to the house for Oscar/Floyd ... if the weather cooperates we could do pool and bbq during the day then fight at night.

hamed · 02-28-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by a87star

Like Mike said, Codrington has won his last five fights and two of them came against two tough veterans in Robert Daniels and Thomas Reid but i've seen those two fights and another one against Robert Marsh who is a professional opponent and he looks like a fighter with damaged confidence. Whatever killer instinct Codrington did have is now gone and doesn't go for the kill when he has an opponent hurt. Chris Gotti has single handedly ruined Codrington's career.

I haven't seen him fight since the Green fight but him lacking KI doesn't surprise me - that was one brutal loss he suffered. I'm happy he wasn't killed because I thought that might be the case when I saw it live on TV.

mh2365 · 02-28-2007, 11:14 AM

I thought the Morrison beating at the hands of Mercer was far more violent

hamed · 02-28-2007, 01:40 PM

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I thought the Morrison beating at the hands of Mercer was far more violent

Wasn't that over 5 rounds though?

For 2 guys who were both hyped coming, it's tough to beat Green's blowout because it was so quick & brutal.

mh2365 · 02-28-2007, 02:01 PM

Quick yes ... I think Morrison's was more brutal though .. esp because of the lame brained ref who allowed Mercer to land at least 5 shots while Morrison was out cold in a sitting position against the turnstyle. Green was one solid punch, Mercer hit Morrison about 10 times after Morrison was out (at least from memory)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XC4eibhR1bM

mh2365 · 02-28-2007, 02:10 PM

as far as one punch Ko's go I'd put Peter's KO of Jeremy Williams as far more devasting than Green's

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i-jg9vct2p8

Brooks TVB · 02-28-2007, 02:32 PM

Oh yeah, Peter knocked Williams into the twilight zone.

02-28-2007, 03:03 AM	#93
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,238	Has anyone realized that this fight is taking place in Miranda's backyard? (San Juan, Puerto Rico). Boxrec lists this as his hometown. (Although he was born in Buenaventura, Columbia). The location really puts added pressure on Green to try and stop him, possibly luring him into a slugfest. I don't know about you guys, but with the added factor of homefield advantage, I'm liking Edison's chances even more than before. __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

02-28-2007, 02:01 PM	#98
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Quick yes ... I think Morrison's was more brutal though .. esp because of the lame brained ref who allowed Mercer to land at least 5 shots while Morrison was out cold in a sitting position against the turnstyle. Green was one solid punch, Mercer hit Morrison about 10 times after Morrison was out (at least from memory) http://youtube.com/watch?v=XC4eibhR1bM Last edited by mh2365; 02-28-2007 at 02:08 PM.

02-27-2007, 04:18 PM	#82
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Allan does seem to be a nice guy but his handlers and people around him have seemed to have gotten into his head that he is better than what he really is. I bet these same people who say they truly want him to succeed in the sport will drop him once he loses to Miranda. The only ones that are benefiting from this are the promoters who will probably make a substancial amount of money off his name and noteriety of beating a highly decorated amateur with potential. That being said, Allan's career has been made up of carefully picked opponents and if I was his promoter, he would still be facing guys right below the contenders (eg. Reid, Pemberton, and Sheika). He definitely needs that type of experience before facing any good or top fighters in the SMW division. This kid is nowhere ready to face someone like Miranda.

02-27-2007, 05:31 PM	#84
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	See that's part of the problem here, while I think Green could be good, he has faced no one as of yet. I mean no one. You can't name one even below average fighter on his resume. If he had paid his dues against the Pemberton's Sheika's and so on then someone could have some hope. At least Lacy fought those guys before stepping in against Calzaghe. Miranda is one of the top 5 MW's and Green has just bitten off more than he can chew. I hope he can bounce back from this. Oh yeah I'm watching the showtime fights Saturday night and recording the HBO fights. So if Green wins I won't be on until around noon on Sunday to eat my crow LOL

02-27-2007, 06:07 PM	#86
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Actually he hasn't done that bad. 5-0 against decent competition including Carl Daniels and Thomas Reid. Those two wins are as good as anything Green has on his resume. Of course Daniels is 3-7 in his last 10 and Reid is 4-6. So you know. Looking at Greens' resume Anthony Bonsante might be his best win .. that's not something you want to hold up going into a fight with a guy like Miranda. I really wasn't rooting for either guy until Zima went all fanboy on us LOL. Either way I'll be on here with congrats to Zima if Green steps up big in the fight.

02-27-2007, 10:32 PM	#89
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Yeah I was going off of boxrec, I noticed he knocked both vets down but didn't finish them. Who was Gotti's other guy that got KTFO also?

02-28-2007, 11:14 AM	#96
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I thought the Morrison beating at the hands of Mercer was far more violent

02-28-2007, 02:10 PM	#99
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	as far as one punch Ko's go I'd put Peter's KO of Jeremy Williams as far more devasting than Green's http://youtube.com/watch?v=i-jg9vct2p8

02-28-2007, 02:32 PM	#100
Brooks TVB All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Loudon, TN. Posts: 1,439	Oh yeah, Peter knocked Williams into the twilight zone.