The European football thread

[zoraster]

Originally Posted by magnet

For how long the season is, this seems crazy to me.

It was a different age... and you only have to go back a few more years and live club football pretty much began and ended with the FA Cup Final. Live league games were only really seriously considered in the late 70s and didn't become a regular feature until 1983/84.

Trouble was there was no market. We only had three/four channels, two of which were BBC. Moreover when there was some competition for the highlights in the late 70s the Office of Fair trading stepped in and said the rights had to be split between the two. As a consequence the money on offer was a pittance and the clubs were more concerned about losing gate receipts. In fact one season there wasn’t any coverage at all for the opening weeks as no deal could be agreed - anyone remember what year that was... 88ish wasn’t it?

All this TV malarkey is very new to us oldsters... still so is the concept of having to buy tickets days in advance and sit down in a sanitised stadium. I guess this is one reason I fled to non-league. No TV, pay on the gate and stand on the terracing with a pint of beer at 3PM on a Saturday. The way football is meant to be.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by zoraster

It was a different age... and you only have to go back a few more years and live club football pretty much began and ended with the FA Cup Final. Live league games were only really seriously considered in the late 70s and didn't become a regular feature until 1983/84.

Trouble was there was no market. We only had three/four channels, two of which were BBC. Moreover when there was some competition for the highlights in the late 70s the Office of Fair trading stepped in and said the rights had to be split between the two. As a consequence the money on offer was a pittance and the clubs were more concerned about losing gate receipts. In fact one season there wasn’t any coverage at all for the opening weeks as no deal could be agreed - anyone remember what year that was... 88ish wasn’t it?

All this TV malarkey is very new to us oldsters... still so is the concept of having to buy tickets days in advance and sit down in a sanitised stadium. I guess this is one reason I fled to non-league. No TV, pay on the gate and stand on the terracing with a pint of beer at 3PM on a Saturday. The way football is meant to be.

Have to agree with you there, I love Wigan Athletic with a passion and love the attention they get but there is a massive part of me wishes I was back walking down from the bus station to watch them at Springfield Park, (one of the worst grounds in football, toilets were an hole in the floor behind a wall lol) and watch them play teams like Bury, Rochdale, Torquay United and Chesterfield.

[zoraster]

All we need is someone to bemoan the loss of the Saturday Pink and the football trains and we'll be totally lost on the nostalgia trip

[The Funk]

RIP The Pink DAMN YOU MODERN MEDIA!!!!1

[The Funk]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Rumours are their after Camera from Wigan well they can go kiss my rear were not selling specially to a team we play on Saturday, unless they buy some players I can honestly see them struggling this season.

The footie season proper starts in a couple of days, banter time!!! If we have to buy players off Wigan then we really are in bloody trouble!

Roeders managment record is very poor, he had a few good results at the end of last season but that usually happens when a manager is sacked then replaced.

To be fair he has a good record of getting teams into seventh place. (then getting them relegated the next year.)

He certainly wasn't near the top of my manager wish list. He's a nice guy but far too cautious. I think he's probably just a low maintenance guy who'll tow Shepherd's PR line and keep the manager's seat warm until Shearer decides to take over.

Shepherd always backs his manager with cash but is a PR disaster, seems to be far too hands on re: transfers and always cocks up big time when it comes to the hiring and firing of managers. Probably the most important job a chairman has to do. He always seems to be looking for a quick fix manager to sort an immediate problem out, rather than getting a guy in with a long term plan and letting him get on with it.

By the way, did that Chimbonda guy manage to find a 'big club' that actually wanted him?

[bababui]

Originally Posted by The Funk

RIP The Pink DAMN YOU MODERN MEDIA!!!!1

I love some Saturday pink myself but unless you are Pamela Anderson or Tommy Lee what does the mass media have to do with it??

[bababui]

In Serbias first ever game ther beat the Czechs 2-0. Is this the end of yop flight football for the Czech Republic? Sad to see it all come so suddenly to an end.

And the Norwegians yet again get another result against the Brazilians in Dungas first match as coach.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by bababui

I love some Saturday pink myself but unless you are Pamela Anderson or Tommy Lee what does the mass media have to do with it??

clutch

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by bababui

In Serbias first ever game ther beat the Czechs 2-0. Is this the end of yop flight football for the Czech Republic? Sad to see it all come so suddenly to an end.

They are an aging team, they will be back.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

They are an aging team, they will be back.

Aren't the Czechs still dealing with injuries from the WC?

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by bababui

I love some Saturday pink myself but unless you are Pamela Anderson or Tommy Lee what does the mass media have to do with it??

The Saturday Pink was printed straight after the games were played, back then there was no internety thing to keep up to date with all the scores around Britain, as this link states by the time you got home from the game The Pink would be waiting at the newsagents more than likely still in a bundle as the newsagent wouldn't have had time to open it so you'd be waiting for him to cut those strings so you could find out how your rivals had done.

http://blogs.manchestereveningnews.c...that_jack.html

Sky Sports may have helped teams bring top quality names into English football, they may have helped teams survive but one thing they have done is destroy the history of the game in England you ask say 100 fans how many titles have Liverpool won and I bet 50% at least and more likely 70% would say none because they think that football began in 1992 no knowing that Liverpool have won 18 top division titles in England.

I had to laugh on Sunday when Richard Keys stated that it was the first Charity Shield when they showed highlights of the Liverpool v Leeds Utd game played in 1992, what he failed to mention was that it was the first shown on Sky but infact the Charity Shield had been played since 1908 when Man Utd beat QPR 4-0.

Like I say I'm thankful of some things they have done for football but it's not all good what they have done and the history of football stretches back to 1848 when the first rules were worked out and the football league was started in 1888, to an American it would be like ESPN saying Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb and Shoeless Joe never exsisted as ESPN weren't around at that time.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

The Saturday Pink was printed straight after the games were played, back then there was no internety thing to keep up to date with all the scores around Britain, as this link states by the time you got home from the game The Pink would be waiting at the newsagents more than likely still in a bundle as the newsagent wouldn't have had time to open it so you'd be waiting for him to cut those strings so you could find out how your rivals had done.

http://blogs.manchestereveningnews.c...that_jack.html

Sky Sports may have helped teams bring top quality names into English football, they may have helped teams survive but one thing they have done is destroy the history of the game in England you ask say 100 fans how many titles have Liverpool won and I bet 50% at least and more likely 70% would say none because they think that football began in 1992 no knowing that Liverpool have won 18 top division titles in England.

I had to laugh on Sunday when Richard Keys stated that it was the first Charity Shield when they showed highlights of the Liverpool v Leeds Utd game played in 1992, what he failed to mention was that it was the first shown on Sky but infact the Charity Shield had been played since 1908 when Man Utd beat QPR 4-0.

Like I say I'm thankful of some things they have done for football but it's not all good what they have done and the history of football stretches back to 1848 when the first rules were worked out and the football league was started in 1888, to an American it would be like ESPN saying Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb and Shoeless Joe never exsisted as ESPN weren't around at that time.

That's pretty sickening. How dare QPR lose to Man U, especially 4-0!

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

The Saturday Pink was printed straight after the games were played, back then there was no internety thing to keep up to date with all the scores around Britain, as this link states by the time you got home from the game The Pink would be waiting at the newsagents more than likely still in a bundle as the newsagent wouldn't have had time to open it so you'd be waiting for him to cut those strings so you could find out how your rivals had done.

Our Pink paper in Gloucestershire didn't end because of football, but in a way it was because of Sky, as it was because Gloucester RFC were (and are) playing a lot of their games on Friday nights and Sunday afternoons nowadays, to fit Sky TV and also get bigger crowds.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

The Saturday Pink was printed straight after the games were played, back then there was no internety thing to keep up to date with all the scores around Britain, as this link states by the time you got home from the game The Pink would be waiting at the newsagents more than likely still in a bundle as the newsagent wouldn't have had time to open it so you'd be waiting for him to cut those strings so you could find out how your rivals had done.

http://blogs.manchestereveningnews.c...that_jack.html

Sky Sports may have helped teams bring top quality names into English football, they may have helped teams survive but one thing they have done is destroy the history of the game in England you ask say 100 fans how many titles have Liverpool won and I bet 50% at least and more likely 70% would say none because they think that football began in 1992 no knowing that Liverpool have won 18 top division titles in England.

I had to laugh on Sunday when Richard Keys stated that it was the first Charity Shield when they showed highlights of the Liverpool v Leeds Utd game played in 1992, what he failed to mention was that it was the first shown on Sky but infact the Charity Shield had been played since 1908 when Man Utd beat QPR 4-0.

Like I say I'm thankful of some things they have done for football but it's not all good what they have done and the history of football stretches back to 1848 when the first rules were worked out and the football league was started in 1888, to an American it would be like ESPN saying Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb and Shoeless Joe never exsisted as ESPN weren't around at that time.

Great recap UKHS. I agree 100% with your sentiments. Its sad that our media only notice things they have tape of. Its like the world didnt exist before that.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by magnet

That's pretty sickening. How dare QPR lose to Man U, especially 4-0!

Wasnt George Michael just caught in Queens Park??

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Our Pink paper in Gloucestershire didn't end because of football, but in a way it was because of Sky, as it was because Gloucester RFC were (and are) playing a lot of their games on Friday nights and Sunday afternoons nowadays, to fit Sky TV and also get bigger crowds.

Why couldnt they have Pink Sheets for friday, saturday and sunday???

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Our Pink paper in Gloucestershire didn't end because of football, but in a way it was because of Sky, as it was because Gloucester RFC were (and are) playing a lot of their games on Friday nights and Sunday afternoons nowadays, to fit Sky TV and also get bigger crowds.

Paul, isnt Cheltenham FC bigger than Gloucester?

[bababui]

What happened to the dodo avi??

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by The Funk

The footie season proper starts in a couple of days, banter time!!! If we have to buy players off Wigan then we really are in bloody trouble!

Hmmm what was it last year went something like this.

Wigan Athletic 1 v 0 Newcastle United
Wigan Athletic 1 v 0 Newcastle United
Newcastle United 3 v 1 Wigan Athletic*

* Wigan Athletic were in front 1-0 when Newcastle were given a dodgy penalty even stated as a dodgy penalty by the Newcastle media and before that penalty Wigan had to take off both central defenders due to injury in De Zeuuw and Jackson, so they ended up playing 70 minutes with a back four consisting of Baines, Zeigler, Chimbonda and Scharner 2 left backs a right back and a central midfielder in the back four.

Pssst wouldn't Camera have been your top goal scorer last season if he'd been in a Newcastle kit , yeah Chimbonda's still here although expect to see him play right wing against Newcastle as that's where he's been playing pre season.

I'd expect the Wigan team to be.

4-4-2

13 GK Kirkland
26 LB Baines
5 CB Hall
16 CB De Zeuuw
17 RB Boyce
10 LM McCulloch
14 CM Landzaat
18 CM Scharner
2 RM Chimbonda
7 ST Camara
9 ST Heskey

Subs: 12 GK Pollitt, 16 RM Valencia, 22 ST Connolly, 21 CM Cywka, 4 CB Jackson.

Don't think there will be much differance to that although he may not risk both Valencia and Cywka on the bench as both are young but full of pace and skill.

By all accounts don't you get relegated this season, after all isn't that Roeders record good first season relegated the next well technically he was in charge last season so this is his second season

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

Great recap UKHS. I agree 100% with your sentiments. Its sad that our media only notice things they have tape of. Its like the world didnt exist before that.

I doubt many people have any knowledge of the first ever Football League games on September 8th 1888, do they though?

Statto that I am though, I do:

Saturday September 8 1888
Bolton		3-6	Derby
Everton		2-1	Accrington
Preston		5-2	Burnley
Stoke		0-2	West Brom
Wolverhampton	1-1	Aston Villa

			P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
Derby County		1	1	0	0	6	3	2
Preston North End	1	1	0	0	5	2	2
West Bromwich Albion	1	1	0	0	2	0	2
Everton			1	1	0	0	2	1	2
Aston Villa		1	0	1	0	1	1	1
Wolverhampton Wanderers	1	0	1	0	1	1	1
Blackburn Rovers	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Notts County		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Accrington		1	0	0	1	1	2	0
Stoke City		1	0	0	1	0	2	0
Bolton Wanderers	1	0	0	1	3	6	0
Burnley			1	0	0	1	2	5	0