This makes me want to vomit...

[holyroller]

Originally posted by BigBambino
figures....

Obviously everything was about money then too, i should have worded that differently...

Basically what i was trying to get at is it seem like everything in baseball, and every other sport for that matter is just about the money. Anything anyone can do to increase the amount of money they get, they'll do. even if it means doing things that would be looked upon as 'Bad for baseball'. Such as putting sponsering companys on the jersey of players.

Here is where you are making your mistake. I'll let you try to figure it out.

[Hank Greenberg]

The actual logo on the base isn't the advertising (its really small)

its all us talking about it.

[attackemu]

Does it seem like Bambino just agrees with everyone?

[BigBambino]

Are you serious attactemu? Obviously i agree with some things..and i post saying so...whats is the big deal? Honestly.

I really dont know why people have to post messages just a start a fued. I'm pretty sure thats why this forum is considered 'dead'

[Gastric ReFlux]

This forum is dead because they haven't sold corporate sponsorship of it yet.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
This forum is dead because they haven't sold corporate sponsorship of it yet.

I thought you were the corporate sponsor bot.

[Le Grande Orange]

Just wait until it's the Visa American League Championship Series and the General Motors National League Championship Series, followed of course by the Exxon World Series.

It'll happen eventually...

[Crapshoot]

Whatever- its not a big deal IMO. The people arguing about the "purity of the game" or the "back in my day" really need to step out of their little world once in a while. Its no big deal.

[BigBambino]

You know, i heard James Brown on the big jab radio say almost the same thing. He also said that the All Star Game will eventually be played in Japan

[Swan]

Originally posted by Aadik
Whatever- its not a big deal IMO. The people arguing about the "purity of the game" or the "back in my day" really need to step out of their little world once in a while. Its no big deal.

The whole point of baseball is that it is outside of our "little worlds'... an escape, pure and simple. And I am pre-emptively protesting baseball getting to far out with corporate sponsorships. I like some of Sea Slug's ideas, like the Wildcard,and realignment... but I loathe others, like having opening day in the Far East, the way he is handling the Expos, the All Star game counting, etc. I am all for progressive ideas for baseball when it is good for the fans, not when it is simply to line the pockets of the owners.

[Cardinal Rule]

Originally posted by Hank Greenberg
The actual logo on the base isn't the advertising (its really small)

its all us talking about it.

Isn't that the truth. On a day when two of the game's biggest active players made significant strides in the career record books (Clemens to #2 in strikeouts, Piazza to #1 in HR by a Catcher) we're talking about this.

[KurtBevacqua]

The more I think about this, the more I realize how dumb it really is. Do you really think the fans can see anything written on the second base bag? Who are they trying to sell the movie to, Derek Jeter and the 2nd base umpire?

[Skipaway]

I think you got it wrong. The fact we are even discussing about it already proved how successful this campaign is.

[IatricSB]

Originally posted by matskralc
When was it ever not?

I remember being able to pick up the sports section and hardly ever see a single mention about salaries, etc.

[Hank Greenberg]

Originally posted by Skipaway
I think you got it wrong. The fact we are even discussing about it already proved how successful this campaign is.

See my post above

[holyroller]

Originally posted by IatricSB
I remember being able to pick up the sports section and hardly ever see a single mention about salaries, etc.

That doesn't mean it wasn't going on. Public disclosure and coverage of player salaries has been fair game for as long as baseball has been around. All it means is that there are more people who are interested in that part of the game, the information is far more easily obtained and there is more media focus on the economics of the game. Part of this too is the rise of player salaries since free agency, but that is due solely to the game's popularity. Most owners can afford to pay players ten million a year and stil make money. Some teams don't have the resources or won't spend the resources, but that too has a long baseball history.

[IatricSB]

Originally posted by holyroller
That doesn't mean it wasn't going on.

Absolutely agree. But it just was pleasant not to have to worry about such stuff. I can remember being surprised when Baseball Digest had an article discussing the top paid players in the game, but that was the only one I read. But with the dawn of free agency, contracts and salaries became more and more of a regular item in the newspaper. I'm not complaining or ignoring the facts, just merely an observation.

[Spielman]

Originally posted by Skipaway
I don't get why would this effect the league or the game in any sense. And you know why this kind of money won't help reduce ticket prices? Because there are not enough of them!

The only thing evil is how fast traditionalists want to label anything not liked by them evil.

C'mon, Skipaway. As a greed-soaked Republican #######, you know perfectly well that increased monetary intake from other sources should never be passed on to the consumer, who have already proven that they'll pay the higher prices.

They're converted into higher profits, of course.

That's why it won't help reduce ticket prices.

/sarcasm

-Spielman

[slic1149]

The folks who complain about baseball marketing tend to be the ones who holler the loudest when their favorite player goes to another team because of money, or when the club increases ticket prices. They yell about how expensive the hot dogs are and then complain about how dirty the park is and how surly the ushers are. Next thing you know they vow to never come to the park again because these guys are over paid and the experiece isn't all they thought it should be.

But every day they read the sports page and follow their team. They watch the games mostly for free on TV if they have a big screen talk about having the "best seat in the house". These folks take all the game has for free and then piss and moan over how the team needs better ownership and how money is ruining the game. The bottom line is baseball exists off of the fans dollars and its corporate partnerships. Right now its corporate sponsors and TV revenue pay a larger share of the bills than the fans do. Economic reality says that this Spiderman thing is just the beginning.

But before you scream too loud try to remember Major League Baseball isn't a birthright it's a for profit business and the less the fan contribute to the teams bottom line the less say they will have in its overall direction regarding advertising. This is not to say the owners aren't greedy whores, the point is sometimes the fans aren't much better.

[IatricSB]

Originally posted by slic1149
The folks who complain about baseball marketing tend to be the ones who holler the loudest when their favorite player goes to another team because of money, or when the club increases ticket prices. They yell about how expensive the hot dogs are and then complain about how dirty the park is and how surly the ushers are. Next thing you know they vow to never come to the park again because these guys are over paid and the experiece isn't all they thought it should be.

Yes, I agree 100% with this exaggerated generalization.

Oh.... wait a minute. My peyote is wearing off. On second thought, I don't agree with the surly ushers part. Maybe I'll agree again when the mushroom's take hold.