SI Sportsman of the Year...vote Tillman - Page 2

Mike Ivie · 11-28-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoPadres19

Good point, except nobody gives a rats ass about Mens Tennis.

And Long Long Name, are you serious that you have never heard of Pat Tillman until today?

He's either lying or he's trying to prove some dumb point. There is no way he can call himself any sort of sports fan and has never heard of Tillman. It's an act.

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ivie

He's either lying or he's trying to prove some dumb point. There is no way he can call himself any sort of sports fan and has never heard of Tillman. It's an act.

1. Did I ever call myself a sports fan?
2. It's possible to be a sports fan without knowing about a football player. What if I like every sport but football?

Sweeney29 · 11-28-2004, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ivie

He's either lying or he's trying to prove some dumb point. There is no way he can call himself any sort of sports fan and has never heard of Tillman. It's an act.

Whoa, whoa, lay off man. All he said was that he hadn't heard of the guy, and I can think of several reasons why he might not have. That doesn't make him dumb or a liar. I see this post as you trying to regain your pride after your suggestion to vote for Tillman was shot down by everyone in the thread. And for what it's worth, I agree with them; yes, the guy is a hero, he gave up his life for his country, and he probably made a mean potato casserole. And like BW said, he's already received numerous awards for these (including the 1999 Cardinals Bake-Off). But let's keep the sports awards pertaining to sports, please?

Now, who should it really be? Armstrong is great, but we can't keep giving it to him every year. Phelps does have the DUI. How about Curt Schilling? I don't like this team business either, I wonder why they put the whole Red Sox team on there instead of just him. If you're talking best individual player on the list, it has to be Federer.

EDIT: And because the choices sucked so bad, I didn't even vote. I mean, come on, Ichiro?!?

Crapshoot · 11-28-2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ivie

He's either lying or he's trying to prove some dumb point. There is no way he can call himself any sort of sports fan and has never heard of Tillman. It's an act.

Believe it or not, their exists a spectrum of sport * gasp * where the NFL or "american football" isnt an issue of consequence.

ill16ca · 11-28-2004, 01:45 AM

^^^
gets it.

After all, LLN and I are from Canada, where there is less interest in football than there is in the US. Also, there is also much less interest, or agreement rather, with Americans going to war in Iraq. Granted, I do know who Pat Tillman is, and what happened, but that was from a thread on this board. I probably would never have found out otherwise.

It was indeed terrible what happened to Pat Tillman, and I am sure he was a very honourable man, and very strong in his convictions, but I don't necessarily agree with what he chose to do, even if it did involve giving up millions of dollars.

Delgadodawg · 11-28-2004, 02:37 AM

No offense, but Tillman would probably be the last person on that list I would vote for.

Sweeney29 · 11-28-2004, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Delgadodawg

No offense, but Tillman would probably be the last person on that list I would vote for.

Ditto. He doesn't even qualify. He wasn't a "sportsman" this year.

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 12:30 PM

I actually voted for Phelps. By accident. I probably would've voted for Federer, since Bonds wasn't on the list, and the Red Sox, while perhaps deserving, are not one sportsperson.

rudel.dietrich · 11-28-2004, 12:46 PM

Tillman would be a better canidate for Time magazines man of the year.

As for this poll, I voted for Ichiro. Federer would of been another good choice. Bonds should be in the poll. But then again, he could of won it four years in a row by now.

rem · 11-28-2004, 12:52 PM

As for not knowing about Tillman, I tried to buy a poster of him for a friend back in May but I couldn't find one. I looked all over a large mall and most of the time when I asked for his poster in a store....nobody knew who he was. Go figure.

JWay · 11-28-2004, 01:07 PM

voted for phelps by accident as well. wonder if that helps him out a lot. Would have voted for Ichiro

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Tillman would be a better canidate for Time magazines man of the year.

While we're at it, who do you guys vote for as person of the year?

I wouldn't vote Tillman. I know what he did can be viewed as heroic by some, but not me. Plus, many other people did the same thing as he did. Anyway, my vote would go to Vladimir Putin. Someone on some message board suggested Ken Jennings.

rudel.dietrich · 11-28-2004, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

While we're at it, who do you guys vote for as person of the year?

I wouldn't vote Tillman. I know what he did can be viewed as heroic by some, but not me. Plus, many other people did the same thing as he did. Anyway, my vote would go to Vladimir Putin. Someone on some message board suggested Ken Jennings.

You could add Bush to that list as well since he was in the news on a daily basis in every country in the world.
No single person has really captured all the headlines this year.

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 02:40 PM

Well, the American president makes the news all the time, everywhere.

gmo · 11-28-2004, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Tillman would be a better canidate for Time magazines man of the year.

My feeling exactly.

As for who might win that this year... Didn't "the American soldier" win last year? That would seem to preclude Tillman or anyone else in that vein. Bush won in 2001, wasn't it? Though he was in the news a lot, besides winning the election it is arguable Bush did much compelling this year. Kerry might have been in the news even more considering the primaries, but then he was even less compelling, by about 3.5% I think it was. Why Putin? It may not be a true criterion, though I figure it is - personally I don't feel he has done much this year that Americans can feel directly impacts them. I'd think Karzai or Allawi would have more of a chance, but I doubt either of them would get it either.

The hot thing right now out of the election seems to still be "moral values", but I cannot think of one face to really represent that.

Perhaps Jon Stewart? I think we are far enough from 9/11 and invading Iraq something not completely somber or serious could get the nod from Time. I doubt they would go sports (this is the Talk Sports forum though, so I gotta keep it relevant), but Phelps might have had a shot with it being an Olympic year until his incident, and Armstrong may be a possibility with the bracelets on top of winning the Tour de France again.

Seems like a year for it to go to an innovative businessman or someone like that who is influential but not very well-known by most of the public.

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 02:47 PM

Wouldn't Phelps getting caught DUI increase his chances of getting the Person of the Year award?

Putin was elected earlier this year under nebulous circumstances. The more scared journalists are afraid of a return to a dictatorship in Russia, which isn't completely far-fetched. He's also involved in the current crisis in Ukraine, and there is still the Chechnya problem. Really, I can't think of anyone else I would vote for. Again, there's Bush, but what has he done more than in preceding years to deserve that award?

Sweeney29 · 11-28-2004, 03:16 PM

Putin has been active, but he hasn't done anything good. Just because he might be the next Brezhnev doesn't make him Person of the Year.

Erik W. · 11-28-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Ivie

He's either lying or he's trying to prove some dumb point. There is no way he can call himself any sort of sports fan and has never heard of Tillman. It's an act.

Heh, nice bit of assumption all wrapped up in a layer of xenophobia!

That aside, I voted for Ichiro. He destroyed a record, and never ran his mouth while doing so.

Long_Long_Name · 11-28-2004, 03:24 PM

Well, it could be argued that Putin did something good. But still, that doesn't matter. Why would the person of the year have to have done something good? To me, the person of the year is the one who has made the biggest impact on the world on any given year. Of course, there needs to be something preventing the American administration from winning it every year, but I think that 2004 was an important year in Putin's career, and for the world in general.

Sweeney29 · 11-28-2004, 03:26 PM

By those standards bin Laden should have won in 2001.

11-28-2004, 12:30 PM	#28
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I actually voted for Phelps. By accident. I probably would've voted for Federer, since Bonds wasn't on the list, and the Red Sox, while perhaps deserving, are not one sportsperson. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

11-28-2004, 12:52 PM	#30
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	As for not knowing about Tillman, I tried to buy a poster of him for a friend back in May but I couldn't find one. I looked all over a large mall and most of the time when I asked for his poster in a store....nobody knew who he was. Go figure. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-28-2004, 02:40 PM	#34
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Well, the American president makes the news all the time, everywhere. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

11-28-2004, 02:47 PM	#36
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Wouldn't Phelps getting caught DUI increase his chances of getting the Person of the Year award? Putin was elected earlier this year under nebulous circumstances. The more scared journalists are afraid of a return to a dictatorship in Russia, which isn't completely far-fetched. He's also involved in the current crisis in Ukraine, and there is still the Chechnya problem. Really, I can't think of anyone else I would vote for. Again, there's Bush, but what has he done more than in preceding years to deserve that award? __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

11-28-2004, 03:16 PM	#37
Sweeney29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 236	Putin has been active, but he hasn't done anything good. Just because he might be the next Brezhnev doesn't make him Person of the Year. __________________ NABL - Pittsburgh Pirates

11-28-2004, 01:45 AM	#25
ill16ca All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 690	^^^ gets it. After all, LLN and I are from Canada, where there is less interest in football than there is in the US. Also, there is also much less interest, or agreement rather, with Americans going to war in Iraq. Granted, I do know who Pat Tillman is, and what happened, but that was from a thread on this board. I probably would never have found out otherwise. It was indeed terrible what happened to Pat Tillman, and I am sure he was a very honourable man, and very strong in his convictions, but I don't necessarily agree with what he chose to do, even if it did involve giving up millions of dollars.

11-28-2004, 02:37 AM	#26
Delgadodawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 800	No offense, but Tillman would probably be the last person on that list I would vote for.

11-28-2004, 12:46 PM	#29
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Tillman would be a better canidate for Time magazines man of the year. As for this poll, I voted for Ichiro. Federer would of been another good choice. Bonds should be in the poll. But then again, he could of won it four years in a row by now.

11-28-2004, 01:07 PM	#31
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	voted for phelps by accident as well. wonder if that helps him out a lot. Would have voted for Ichiro

11-28-2004, 03:24 PM	#39
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Well, it could be argued that Putin did something good. But still, that doesn't matter. Why would the person of the year have to have done something good? To me, the person of the year is the one who has made the biggest impact on the world on any given year. Of course, there needs to be something preventing the American administration from winning it every year, but I think that 2004 was an important year in Putin's career, and for the world in general. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

11-28-2004, 03:26 PM	#40
Sweeney29 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 236	By those standards bin Laden should have won in 2001. __________________ NABL - Pittsburgh Pirates