Shaq feeling the HEAT?

JerseyPride · 07-08-2004, 11:51 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1836585

The Lakers, intent on trading a disgruntled Shaquille O'Neal, might make a deal with the Heat that would include Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and probably a first-round draft pick, sources told the Riverside Press-Enterprise for Thursday's editions.

The team is considering a handful of the 17 or 18 offers it has received for the center, the paper reports.

"Just like the coach deal with Phil [Jackson] being let go, Dr. Buss thinks it's time to deal Shaq," a team source told the paper.

The team is close to replacing Jackson with coach Rudy Tomjanovich. ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reports that the deal to hire Tomjanovich is basically finished, with negotiations now centering on who will be on the coaching staff.

At the same time, free agent Kobe Bryant met with four teams, including the Lakers and the Clippers.

Tomjanovich tried to contact O'Neal, the paper reported, and Shaq left a message in response.

"I just feel terrible for Rudy because I wanted to play for him," O'Neal said, according to the paper. "But I ain't coming back there."

Sources told the Press-Enterprise that O'Neal's representatives have shot down potential deals. The Kings, one of the teams O'Neal is willing to play for, reportedly backed away from talks

With Wade, Jones, Butler and SHAQ in the middle. Thats one hell of a team.

streetballer67 · 07-09-2004, 12:37 AM

Not happenin'

yankeesrule · 07-09-2004, 12:49 AM

Heat haveto throw in a LOT more than odom and grants bad contract. maybe multiple firsts and caron butler or somethin.

streetballer67 · 07-09-2004, 01:08 AM

If I had Shaq and I was offered; Odom, Grant, Butler and next years first round pick I still wouldn't do it.

jazzrack · 07-09-2004, 01:49 AM

nobody is going to pay market value for Shaq, and if the lakers don't trade him he will sit out. he has made his money he no longer wants to play for Buss

Jordan · 07-09-2004, 02:10 AM

Sacto needs to straighten up there act and open up there mind! They were better without C-Webb, IMO, can do without Christie, and use either or Bibby/Jackson plus picks. He's worth the investment, as you'll probably get a title in return.

Plus, it would be cool to see Shaq play for the Queens

And1pg2 · 07-09-2004, 02:56 AM

Lakers said they want Butler as well. But Heat said they will not give up him as well as the others. SO i dont see this happening.

Skipaway · 07-09-2004, 03:47 AM

Now, anyone got the list of those 17 or 18 offers? The number of rumors I've heard is definitely less than 10.

jazzrack · 07-09-2004, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan

Sacto needs to straighten up there act and open up there mind! They were better without C-Webb, IMO, can do without Christie, and use either or Bibby/Jackson plus picks. He's worth the investment, as you'll probably get a title in return.

Plus, it would be cool to see Shaq play for the Queens

dude, it wasn't C-web coming back, it was losing Jackson at the same time C-web came back that sent the team into a tail spin. without c-web they would have been bounced in the first round. He was the only guy to play for crap in the playoffs. Peja vanished down the stretch and in the playoffs that was another problem, the guy can shoot but is softer than a pillow. hopefully with the summer off C-web's knee will fully heal. The reason Shaq won't work in Sac is because he likes to hog the ball, ball hogs don't fare well in sac's system.

Dan12278 · 07-09-2004, 06:01 PM

I was watching Sportscenter yesterday and one of the basketball guys that the trade couldnt happen b/c of Heat lack of cap room or something of that nature. They would've also had to give up Caron Butler, but Miami would not do that.

Emmaculate · 07-10-2004, 01:21 PM

Shaq a ballhog? Tough for a center to be a ballhog, I can see a blackhole (Kevin Willis) but a ballhog?

hamonrye · 07-10-2004, 06:41 PM

ESPN.com is reporting that Shaq has approved the trade to Miami in exchange for Butler, Odom, and Grant.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-10-2004, 06:49 PM

Ugh. This is pretty much the prototype of the "doesn't help either team" trade. Miami is not ready for prime time, and the Lakers are now set to give Kobe the sucky supporting cast he seems to want so desperately.

hamonrye · 07-10-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Ugh. This is pretty much the prototype of the "doesn't help either team" trade. Miami is not ready for prime time, and the Lakers are now set to give Kobe the sucky supporting cast he seems to want so desperately.

Yeah, but it will be fun watching both teams trying to spin this one. I don't think the Heat can beat either the Pacers or Pistons as presently constituted, and they will have to change there style to a half court, grind it out with Shaq in the post. And when Stan Van Gundy fails to take the team to the Finals next year, they can fire him and replace him with Phil.

Meanwhile, the Lakers must think they just guaranteed Kobe will stay, so they can field a lineup of...
G-Payton
G-Bryant (trial notwithstanding)
F-Odom
F-B. Grant
C-?? (Free agent? Dampier, maybe?)

which won't scare anyone out West. Miami and LA just look like 2 teams that have no chance to get past the 2nd round.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-10-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hamonrye

Miami and LA just look like 2 teams that have no chance to get past the 2nd round.

Agreed. Happy now, Shaq and Kobe?

JerseyPride · 07-10-2004, 07:41 PM

The new deal seems to be Odom,Butler and Grant.

Dagrims · 07-10-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Agreed. Happy now, Shaq and Kobe?

Honestly? I think Shaq is pleased. He already has his rings. I don't think getting more is his priority. Do you really think he seemed upset that they lost to Detroit? Miami is a prime opportunity for him to put up some monster stats against the Eastern conference centers. He loves Florida, and he'll get lots more attention in Miami than in Hollywood.

Kobe, however, is going to find things tough going if he stays out of jail.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-10-2004, 07:44 PM

What you say is true. I guess it's fitting, since I put most of the blame for the current Lakers mess squarely on Kobe's head.

nate7891 · 07-10-2004, 07:45 PM

i dont think i would trade butler. Him and Wade are going to be superstars in this league. I would wait on trading either of thsoe guys

twins15 · 07-10-2004, 08:26 PM

I think Shaq is getting overrated. Yes, he is still the most dominant big man in the game, [i]when he wants to be.[/b] Every year he comes into camp out of shape. His scoring dropped 6 points this year. He's 32 years old, and not getting any younger. Games 3 and 5 in the Finals he didn't look like his old self (albeit Game 1 and 4 were very very good). If I'm the Heat, I don't trade the core of a team that almost made it to the conference finals and should be even better this year (with Wade getting better) to get 2 years out of Shaq.

Here is a good article by some ESPN writer I've never heard of.

07-08-2004, 11:51 PM	#1
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	Shaq feeling the HEAT? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1836585 The Lakers, intent on trading a disgruntled Shaquille O'Neal, might make a deal with the Heat that would include Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and probably a first-round draft pick, sources told the Riverside Press-Enterprise for Thursday's editions. The team is considering a handful of the 17 or 18 offers it has received for the center, the paper reports. "Just like the coach deal with Phil [Jackson] being let go, Dr. Buss thinks it's time to deal Shaq," a team source told the paper. The team is close to replacing Jackson with coach Rudy Tomjanovich. ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reports that the deal to hire Tomjanovich is basically finished, with negotiations now centering on who will be on the coaching staff. At the same time, free agent Kobe Bryant met with four teams, including the Lakers and the Clippers. Tomjanovich tried to contact O'Neal, the paper reported, and Shaq left a message in response. "I just feel terrible for Rudy because I wanted to play for him," O'Neal said, according to the paper. "But I ain't coming back there." Sources told the Press-Enterprise that O'Neal's representatives have shot down potential deals. The Kings, one of the teams O'Neal is willing to play for, reportedly backed away from talks With Wade, Jones, Butler and SHAQ in the middle. Thats one hell of a team. __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

07-09-2004, 12:37 AM	#2
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streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	If I had Shaq and I was offered; Odom, Grant, Butler and next years first round pick I still wouldn't do it. __________________ Visit Here!!!

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jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	nobody is going to pay market value for Shaq, and if the lakers don't trade him he will sit out. he has made his money he no longer wants to play for Buss __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

07-09-2004, 03:47 AM	#8
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Now, anyone got the list of those 17 or 18 offers? The number of rumors I've heard is definitely less than 10. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-09-2004, 12:49 AM	#3
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Heat haveto throw in a LOT more than odom and grants bad contract. maybe multiple firsts and caron butler or somethin.

07-09-2004, 02:10 AM	#6
Jordan All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 1,991	Sacto needs to straighten up there act and open up there mind! They were better without C-Webb, IMO, can do without Christie, and use either or Bibby/Jackson plus picks. He's worth the investment, as you'll probably get a title in return. Plus, it would be cool to see Shaq play for the Queens

07-09-2004, 02:56 AM	#7
And1pg2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 979	Lakers said they want Butler as well. But Heat said they will not give up him as well as the others. SO i dont see this happening.

07-09-2004, 06:01 PM	#10
Dan12278 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 56	I was watching Sportscenter yesterday and one of the basketball guys that the trade couldnt happen b/c of Heat lack of cap room or something of that nature. They would've also had to give up Caron Butler, but Miami would not do that. __________________ MBL Florida Marlins Owner

07-10-2004, 01:21 PM	#11
Emmaculate Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 238	Shaq a ballhog? Tough for a center to be a ballhog, I can see a blackhole (Kevin Willis) but a ballhog? __________________ APBL- Seattle Mariners OTM- Pittsburgh River Bandits HBL- Colorado Rockies www.actionpackedbaseballleague.com www.overthemound.com/blog www.hblbaseball.com/forums/

07-10-2004, 06:41 PM	#12
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	ESPN.com is reporting that Shaq has approved the trade to Miami in exchange for Butler, Odom, and Grant.

07-10-2004, 06:49 PM	#13
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Ugh. This is pretty much the prototype of the "doesn't help either team" trade. Miami is not ready for prime time, and the Lakers are now set to give Kobe the sucky supporting cast he seems to want so desperately. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

07-10-2004, 07:41 PM	#16
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	The new deal seems to be Odom,Butler and Grant. __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

07-10-2004, 07:44 PM	#18
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	What you say is true. I guess it's fitting, since I put most of the blame for the current Lakers mess squarely on Kobe's head. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

07-10-2004, 07:45 PM	#19
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	i dont think i would trade butler. Him and Wade are going to be superstars in this league. I would wait on trading either of thsoe guys __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

07-10-2004, 08:26 PM	#20
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I think Shaq is getting overrated. Yes, he is still the most dominant big man in the game, [i]when he wants to be.[/b] Every year he comes into camp out of shape. His scoring dropped 6 points this year. He's 32 years old, and not getting any younger. Games 3 and 5 in the Finals he didn't look like his old self (albeit Game 1 and 4 were very very good). If I'm the Heat, I don't trade the core of a team that almost made it to the conference finals and should be even better this year (with Wade getting better) to get 2 years out of Shaq. Here is a good article by some ESPN writer I've never heard of. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists