2024 NFL Season thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Teams interested in trading for Kevin O'Connell

[Cobra Mgr]

Bears want to interview Dallas' McCarthy for HC

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

For the last time,

I
NEVER
CLAIMED
ANYTHING
GOOD
OR
BAD
ABOUT
PIERCE
AS
A
COACH!

And again HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A LACK OF TALENT?
You are the one that brought up the lack of talent.
You didn't watch the team? You have no opinion on AP as a coach but claim
the qb situation was more to blame for the lack of success.
I never asked for your opinion of AP.
I responded to the remark implying he was not responsible due to a lack of talent at qb.
Do you really think i wanted AP to fail?
If the Raiders keep him and he wins with whoever he has on the team i'll give him the credit he deserves.
But i'm not going to excuse him from blame for the bad coaching he deserves.

Anyway i think im gonna move on from this.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

And again HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A LACK OF TALENT?
You are the one that brought up the lack of talent.
You didn't watch the team? You have no opinion on AP as a coach but claim
the qb situation was more to blame for the lack of success.
I never asked for your opinion of AP.
I responded to the remark implying he was not responsible due to a lack of talent at qb.
Do you really think i wanted AP to fail?
If the Raiders keep him and he wins with whoever he has on the team i'll give him the credit he deserves.
But i'm not going to excuse him from blame for the bad coaching he deserves.

Anyway i think im gonna move on from this.

Good. Cause you were about to get put on ignore. You've just been arguing to argue.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

The 2011 broncos are not the only team in history to make it to the playoffs
with a bad qb.

You can't go too far back in history. Teams no longer can make up for a bad QB by stacking their defense.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Bears want to interview Dallas' McCarthy for HC

I don't hate McCarthy. But he's bad at late game situational awareness.

Just take the last game. With 6 seconds left, up by 3 points, Washington is going to run one more play from inside the 10 yard line. You tell the defensive backs to grab the WRs. Hold them. Take the penalty. I've seen teams do this before. Make Washington choose between a FG or TD, not both.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

Kinda embarrassing that the Chiefs completely rolled over in a game with playoff implications for multiple teams. I don't so much blame the Chiefs for doing what's in their best interest (resting key players), but there were other teams (Rams, Texans, Bills, Eagles?) that - thankfully, for the integrity of the game - were in a similar position but didn't roll over... More of an embarrassment to the NFL, IMO... But also a pathetic showing by KC...

And while I'm a Dolphins fan, I didn't really care if they made the playoffs or not. A playoff berth would've only extended their season for another week - culminating in a drubbing at the hands of KC or Buff; IOW they weren't going anywhere...

Teams do this every year. No team is going to play a game they don't need unless it benefits them. The Eagles won with their backups. They had their 3rd string QB in there.

I didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming the Bills didn't have their starters in the entire game. Or else no way they lose to the Patriots. I don't think any team that already made the playoffs played their starters for the sake of playing. There was some benefit to them.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't hate McCarthy. But he's bad at late game situational awareness.

Just take the last game. With 6 seconds left, up by 3 points, Washington is going to run one more play from inside the 10 yard line. You tell the defensive backs to grab the WRs. Hold them. Take the penalty. I've seen teams do this before. Make Washington choose between a FG or TD, not both.

What astounds me about McCarthy is that this has been a major weak spot for him & he still hasn't taught himself how to manage tight game under 2:00. He's been a head man way too long to still struggle in this area. I get it if you are just starting your 1st HC job & haven't been called on to make decisions in those moments. But it wouldn't take me long to get up to speed knowing that could be the diff between a win & a pink slip.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

What astounds me about McCarthy is that this has been a major weak spot for him & he still hasn't taught himself how to manage tight game under 2:00. He's been a head man way too long to still struggle in this area. I get it if you are just starting your 1st HC job & haven't been called on to make decisions in those moments. But it wouldn't take me long to get up to speed knowing that could be the diff between a win & a pink slip.

I'm glad it's not just me that saw this. I took the most recent example. There were many. I don't get it. I'm screaming at the TV. He gets away with it because it doesn't always cost him the game.

[Cobra Mgr]

Raiders send Antonio Pierce packing

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Teams do this every year. No team is going to play a game they don't need unless it benefits them. The Eagles won with their backups. They had their 3rd string QB in there.

I didn't watch the game, but I'm assuming the Bills didn't have their starters in the entire game. Or else no way they lose to the Patriots. I don't think any team that already made the playoffs played their starters for the sake of playing. There was some benefit to them.

Yup I get all of that, and I understand teams resting starters for the playoffs. And your assumptions in your 2nd paragraph are correct. That's kind of what I was getting at - that other teams rested their starters but didn't lay an egg... And generally I said it was embarrassing. But I wasn't suggesting teams should do anything different. It's just a shame that with playoff berths on the line, a team would tank a game so badly.

Miami wouldn't have made the playoffs anyway due to their loss to the Jets (which was surely attributable to the number of injured players they had, but they also may have noticed that the Chiefs weren't even putting up a fight). But while on one hand we can say that every team controls their own destiny, and therefore the Bengals could've simply won more games, on the other hand it's not a stretch to say that the Broncos, with the playoffs on the line, benefited by being gifted a win on what was nearly a bye week.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You can't go too far back in history. Teams no longer can make up for a bad QB by stacking their defense.

Just as an intellectual exercise, where do you draw the line, then? The 2006 Bears? The 2000 Ravens? The 1994 Chargers? How far is too far?

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You can't go too far back in history. Teams no longer can make up for a bad QB by stacking their defense.

2015 broncos had Peyton Manning but he was a very old Manning.
Still the Broncos had a great defense.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Good. Cause you were about to get put on ignore. You've just been arguing to argue.

Oh please.
You were the one to jump in and blame it on the qbs.
Then YOU admitted that you didn't even watch the team.
You had no idea of what You were talking about.
It was more than just having bad qbs.
Which is why he got fired.

[Cobra Mgr]

So where is the line for mediocre begin & bad end? Cause I would call Humphries, Grossman, Dilfer & Denver Manning mediocre QB's but not bad.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Just as an intellectual exercise, where do you draw the line, then? The 2006 Bears? The 2000 Ravens? The 1994 Chargers? How far is too far?

What I'm saying is, you can't compare a team like the '85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, or even the '86 Giants to teams of today. With FA, Sal. Cap, and the way contracts started being structured since 2011, it is nearly impossible to see teams like that again. The one exception being the 2013 Seahawks. So it's not impossible.

In today's game it's much harder to make up for your bad QB with the talent around him. You just don't see teams with QBs that don't contribute much to a team's success making it to the SB anymore. Teams do the opposite. They pay the QB in hopes he'll elevate the rest of the team.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

So where is the line for mediocre begin & bad end? Cause I would call Humphries, Grossman, Dilfer & Denver Manning mediocre QB's but not bad.

A lot of these examples defense was more a reason they won than the QB. That's very hard to do now. Years ago you saw it a lot.

I wouldn't say Manning was average. He was limited. In the last game of the regular season, they had to pull Osweiller for Manning. He saved the game. Otherwise Denver is a wildcard. Osweiller was average.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

A lot of these examples defense was more a reason they won than the QB. That's very hard to do now. Years ago you saw it a lot.

I wouldn't say Manning was average. He was limited. In the last game of the regular season, they had to pull Osweiller for Manning. He saved the game. Otherwise Denver is a wildcard. Osweiller was average.

I still think you can win w/average QB'ing. It's just that no team is willing to build that way. Analytics is beginning to ruin the NFL like it was ruined baseball & ruining the NBA. Cause it is telling everyone to play the same way.

What is one of the things that makes sports beautiful is the different styles clashing. Now every one is trying to do the same thing. But I think some places like Pittsburgh & Chicago it is essential that they build around the running game & defense. That is why they are so mediocre. Because they are doing what they aren't fit to do.

[Amazin69]

Tom Grossi and the NFL Coaching Carousel, as only he can cover it.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I still think you can win w/average QB'ing. It's just that no team is willing to build that way. Analytics is beginning to ruin the NFL like it was ruined baseball & ruining the NBA. Cause it is telling everyone to play the same way.

What is one of the things that makes sports beautiful is the different styles clashing. Now every one is trying to do the same thing. But I think some places like Pittsburgh & Chicago it is essential that they build around the running game & defense. That is why they are so mediocre. Because they are doing what they aren't fit to do.

Agreed. There is very little difference in the NFL anymore. I also believe you can win with an average QB. The 49ers with Garoppolo and Purdy come the closest. Where the team seems to be more the focus than the QB. Kind of similar to Philly. Although Hurts does a lot with his legs.