Josh 'Hater'

[TheMaus2]

thread in a nutshell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqgy4zx6yv4

[Rain King]

This thread is one of the worst songs ever recorded?

[Westheim]

This thread is not available in my country?

[TheMaus2]

a lower quality video for the international peeps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSurzeGvPrQ

[knightdreamer2k]

I think it is corny that brewers fans gave him a standing ovation. They did the same thing for Braun. What are they standing for? Sends the wrong message. I'm not angry at Hader, but the people around that want to brush these things to the side like it is no brig deal. He is not some victim.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by knightdreamer2k

I think it is corny that brewers fans gave him a standing ovation. They did the same thing for Braun. What are they standing for? Sends the wrong message. I'm not angry at Hader, but the people around that want to brush these things to the side like it is no brig deal. He is not some victim.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't say boo the guy. But he didn't deserve extra applause for apologizing for behaving like an immature pig. That was the least he could do. Let's praise people for going beyond the call of duty.

[low]

It was more of a forgiveness ovation.

And it's not a big deal. It was 7 years ago, in high school, before professional baseball. Get over it. Move on.

[rudel.dietrich]

Maybe I was a different 17 year old but at 17 I was not as mature as I am now but I was mature enough to recognize homophobia and racism when I saw it. And I can honestly say that I never used those types of words.

I don’t know how we reached this point of viewing teens as not being capable of forming full thoughts. I don’t think we give them enough credit.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Maybe I was a different 17 year old but at 17 I was not as mature as I am now but I was mature enough to recognize homophobia and racism when I saw it. And I can honestly say that I never used those types of words.

I don’t know how we reached this point of viewing teens as not being capable of forming full thoughts. I don’t think we give them enough credit.

Society does that with everything. The world has become overly permissive and too cowardly to call something right or wrong. Or even worse, selective when when it comes to judging conduct. If I'm a Brewer fan, it's no big deal. If I'm a fan of their arch rival it's a travesty. It happens in sports, & even worse, religion & politics. It shouldn't matter what "team" committed the foul.

[low]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Society does that with everything. The world has become overly permissive and too cowardly to call something right or wrong. Or even worse, selective when when it comes to judging conduct. If I'm a Brewer fan, it's no big deal. If I'm a fan of their arch rival it's a travesty. It happens in sports, & even worse, religion & politics. It shouldn't matter what "team" committed the foul.

No. The world has become too PC and too soft. I don't understand why everyone wants this guys head on a platter for some things he said 7(!) years ago. You all act like he physically abused puppies and stole from the elderly only 7 weeks ago. When I was 17, I made fun of gays and called them "fags". I'm 40 now. I've grown up and no longer care. I think the most gay thing you can do now is care about what some other guy does with his penis. Get over it. Grow a backbone. Sticks and stones. Move on. I'd be more worried about all the other negative BS going on right now. Doesn't our society have better things to do than to try and dig up dirt on what a guy said when he was a teenager? C'mon...


And yes, I would defend him if he were a Cardinal. Jeez, what a stupid argument. I hate Hollywood and can't stand celebrity worship, but I would also still defend James Gunn.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by low

No. The world has become too PC and too soft. I don't understand why everyone wants this guys head on a platter for some things he said 7(!) years ago. You all act like he physically abused puppies and stole from the elderly only 7 weeks ago. When I was 17, I made fun of gays and called them "fags". I'm 40 now. I've grown up and no longer care. I think the most gay thing you can do now is care about what some other guy does with his penis. Get over it. Grow a backbone. Sticks and stones. Move on. I'd be more worried about all the other negative BS going on right now. Doesn't our society have better things to do than to try and dig up dirt on what a guy said when he was a teenager? C'mon...


And yes, I would defend him if he were a Cardinal. Jeez, what a stupid argument. I hate Hollywood and can't stand celebrity worship, but I would also still defend James Gunn.

No one said he should be demonized. We said he shouldn't be applauded. Try to understand what you read before you blow your top needlessly. And understand your own position as well. Because "moving on" would mean no reaction period. Treat him today just like you did yesterday. So you should be just as needlessly upset @ the Brewer fans as you are with us.

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by low

No. The world has become too PC and too soft. I don't understand why everyone wants this guys head on a platter for some things he said 7(!) years ago. You all act like he physically abused puppies and stole from the elderly only 7 weeks ago. When I was 17, I made fun of gays and called them "fags". I'm 40 now. I've grown up and no longer care. I think the most gay thing you can do now is care about what some other guy does with his penis. Get over it. Grow a backbone. Sticks and stones. Move on. I'd be more worried about all the other negative BS going on right now. Doesn't our society have better things to do than to try and dig up dirt on what a guy said when he was a teenager? C'mon...


And yes, I would defend him if he were a Cardinal. Jeez, what a stupid argument. I hate Hollywood and can't stand celebrity worship, but I would also still defend James Gunn.

Talk about being sensitive. What is with that outburst? I also hold higher expectations to teenagers. If my kid talked like that there would be issues. I believe in striving to be better, not the lowest common denominator.

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by low

No. The world has become too PC and too soft. I don't understand why everyone wants this guys head on a platter for some things he said 7(!) years ago. You all act like he physically abused puppies and stole from the elderly only 7 weeks ago. When I was 17, I made fun of gays and called them "fags". I'm 40 now. I've grown up and no longer care. I think the most gay thing you can do now is care about what some other guy does with his penis. Get over it. Grow a backbone. Sticks and stones. Move on. I'd be more worried about all the other negative BS going on right now. Doesn't our society have better things to do than to try and dig up dirt on what a guy said when he was a teenager? C'mon...

Of course, if you were on the receiving end, you would feel very differently. Especially if you were a racial minority who cannot escape the pressure by "passing."

I would normally accept the (very true) argument that people do things in their youth that they would never do once they mature.

But as the current climate in the US gets increasingly hostile toward black and brown people, I'm inclined to have zero tolerance for racists. No matter how old they are or were when they showed racist behavior or used racist language, why should I care if those chickens come home to roost?

White supremacists, who have become more and more bold in this country since 2016, would erase me, an African-American, from the face of this earth if they could. They would do the same to my wife, who is an immigrant from the Philippines. We are scared, and because I resent having to live scared, I just shrug when I hear a story like the one that is the topic of this thread.

What bothers me is that we apparently have not progressed very far in the US since the 1950s and 1960s, when well-meaning people, black and white, were killed--imagine that!--simply for trying to register people to vote. It surprises me that someone still uses racist or homophobic language in the 21st century. It surprises me that some innocent white folks don't know one of the most basic rules of racial harmony in the US: do not EVER, under any circumstances, use the "n-word". Even if your misguided black friends use it, it is not acceptable for YOU to use it.

Maybe some good will come from it if Hader sits down in private with some black guys and just talks to them. Learning about somebody who is not like you is a good thing.

It's not being "PC" and "soft" to respect the sensitivities of others. Maybe when you are in the minority you will understand better when someone aims certain language at you and tells you to "grow a backbone" if you don't like it.

[Cobra Mgr]

"Everybody believes in accountability until it's their guy.......But accountability is meaningless, unless it's for everybody." - Stephen Colbert