Stop minor league managers from changing a pitcher's position!

geoffmatt17 · 05-03-2018, 09:16 AM

So for the first time in many iterations of this game, I'm messing around with allowing minor league managers to set lineups and rotations automatically. My one gripe is that pitchers listed as SP could end up in the bullpen, and the game will change his position to RP. The problem with that is, now I don't know which of my prospects / minor leaguers are actually starting pitchers or not. Plus, ratings change based on the position shift (usually stuff, and usually overall / potential). Is there a way to stop this from happening? If I want to carry 12 SPs in AA, I want them all to be listed as SP in game! Thanks!

ohiodevil · 05-03-2018, 10:26 AM

You can force a player to be used in a certain role. You have to go into the game strategy page and select the pitcher and there is a drop down to select/force him to be used in a certain role.

http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...layer_strategy

geoffmatt17 · 05-03-2018, 10:48 AM

Yes that's true, but that's not my intent.

If I've got 12 SP's in AA, I still want a 5 man rotation, but I want the primary position to remain SP for all 12 pitchers. Currently, if I allow the AI to handle minor league lineups and rotations, the game will automatically adjust 7 SP's to RP, which makes it impossible to remember who CAN start and who's just a relief pitcher.

Orcin · 05-03-2018, 10:52 AM

So you want pitchers to be in a relief role yet labeled as a starter? Have you considered what that will do to their ability to function in the relief role? For example, they will not recover stamina as quickly.

ohiodevil · 05-03-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffmatt17

Yes that's true, but that's not my intent.

If I've got 12 SP's in AA, I still want a 5 man rotation, but I want the primary position to remain SP for all 12 pitchers. Currently, if I allow the AI to handle minor league lineups and rotations, the game will automatically adjust 7 SP's to RP, which makes it impossible to remember who CAN start and who's just a relief pitcher.

What about changing the filters on the pitchers stats/ratings page to include Stamina as a column? Then you can see who has high stamina and could be used as a starter. Or make a shortlist for just Potential Starting Pitchers, then all you have to do is go look at the shortlist.

geoffmatt17 · 05-03-2018, 11:06 AM

So, let's say it's the day after the amateur draft. You'd agree that the pitching pool is mainly SP's. I draft 15 SP's, but only have 2 rookie ball levels, and already have some SP's there. I don't want the game to forget I drafted 15 SP's even though many of them will receive a bullpen assignment.

But your point about recovery time is new to me. Are you saying the findings on this old post are still true? (throw a SP 1-2 innings in relief, he'll have 10% energy the next day, whereas change him to RP and it'll be 70%)

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=154352

geoffmatt17 · 05-03-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

What about changing the filters on the pitchers stats/ratings page to include Stamina as a column? Then you can see who has high stamina and could be used as a starter. Or make a shortlist for just Potential Starting Pitchers, then all you have to do is go look at the shortlist.

I need it most on the transactions tab - which is where I do my call ups and send downs. I'd like to know without digging into every profile if I have a 6th SP hidden in relief so I can maybe call up a SP to the next level (for example

)

ohiodevil · 05-03-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffmatt17

I need it most on the transactions tab - which is where I do my call ups and send downs. I'd like to know without digging into every profile if I have a 6th SP hidden in relief so I can maybe call up a SP to the next level (for example

)

I know if you create shortlists, then players you add to it show up in all caps, and I believe they show up like that on the transactions page too. Now that means you could only have one shortlist for pitchers, but it could be a workaround

BBGiovanni · 05-04-2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffmatt17

But your point about recovery time is new to me. Are you saying the findings on this old post are still true? (throw a SP 1-2 innings in relief, he'll have 10% energy the next day, whereas change him to RP and it'll be 70%)

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=154352

I didn't look at that thread, and I don't know about the numbers but the general point is correct. You can get 40-50 pitches out of a high-stamina pitcher as an RP and use him again in a couple of days. If set as an SP you'll get 2x pitches but he'll be wiped for a few days.

As to your general point, I don't worry about the vast majority of MiLB schlub pitchers. I check the real prospects every couple weeks (I play out all games) to make sure all is well. I also set high stamina RP to SP when any of my minor league teams have fewer than 4-5 starters. If the manager insists on misusing a guy I use "force start" as noted above.

Timofmars · 05-04-2018, 10:21 AM

I don't think the setting of the player matters. That is just visual, since obviously you can change the role after a player has pitched and the tiredness will change instantly. I think the only thing that matters is whether the player starts the game or comes in as a reliever.

So go ahead and have your SP in a reliever role. He should get used based on what his rest% says when set to RP. It'll just be a little difficult for you to see if he's really to tired to pitch in relief or not.

If the AI is changing their roles to RP, you could use the strategy setting the force role as SP. They will be put into the rotation, unless you set multiple players to force start as SP and there isn't enough spots in the rotation for them all. So the AI will pick the 5 it wants and set the 6th to some relief role.

I'm playing OOTP 18, and I don't have this issue with the AI changing the role of a 6th+ SP in the bullpen, even when I tell them to sort the minor league. Maybe that's because I have the players locked to a league level, or because I'm set to control the lineups in the minors... I'm not sure.

RchW · 05-04-2018, 12:10 PM

I have the opposite problem. I want minor league pitcher position to reflect their roles and I can't get the AI to do it. This is the limitation to force role force position. I shouldn't have to force role to have a RP listed as RP when used as an RP.

05-03-2018, 09:16 AM	#1
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	Stop minor league managers from changing a pitcher's position! So for the first time in many iterations of this game, I'm messing around with allowing minor league managers to set lineups and rotations automatically. My one gripe is that pitchers listed as SP could end up in the bullpen, and the game will change his position to RP. The problem with that is, now I don't know which of my prospects / minor leaguers are actually starting pitchers or not. Plus, ratings change based on the position shift (usually stuff, and usually overall / potential). Is there a way to stop this from happening? If I want to carry 12 SPs in AA, I want them all to be listed as SP in game! Thanks! __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

05-03-2018, 10:48 AM	#3
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	Yes that's true, but that's not my intent. If I've got 12 SP's in AA, I still want a 5 man rotation, but I want the primary position to remain SP for all 12 pitchers. Currently, if I allow the AI to handle minor league lineups and rotations, the game will automatically adjust 7 SP's to RP, which makes it impossible to remember who CAN start and who's just a relief pitcher. __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

05-03-2018, 11:06 AM	#6
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	So, let's say it's the day after the amateur draft. You'd agree that the pitching pool is mainly SP's. I draft 15 SP's, but only have 2 rookie ball levels, and already have some SP's there. I don't want the game to forget I drafted 15 SP's even though many of them will receive a bullpen assignment. But your point about recovery time is new to me. Are you saying the findings on this old post are still true? (throw a SP 1-2 innings in relief, he'll have 10% energy the next day, whereas change him to RP and it'll be 70%) http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=154352 __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

05-04-2018, 12:10 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I have the opposite problem. I want minor league pitcher position to reflect their roles and I can't get the AI to do it. This is the limitation to force role force position. I shouldn't have to force role to have a RP listed as RP when used as an RP. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-03-2018, 10:26 AM	#2
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	You can force a player to be used in a certain role. You have to go into the game strategy page and select the pitcher and there is a drop down to select/force him to be used in a certain role. http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...layer_strategy

05-03-2018, 10:52 AM	#4
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,879	So you want pitchers to be in a relief role yet labeled as a starter? Have you considered what that will do to their ability to function in the relief role? For example, they will not recover stamina as quickly.

05-04-2018, 10:21 AM	#10
Timofmars Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 251	I don't think the setting of the player matters. That is just visual, since obviously you can change the role after a player has pitched and the tiredness will change instantly. I think the only thing that matters is whether the player starts the game or comes in as a reliever. So go ahead and have your SP in a reliever role. He should get used based on what his rest% says when set to RP. It'll just be a little difficult for you to see if he's really to tired to pitch in relief or not. If the AI is changing their roles to RP, you could use the strategy setting the force role as SP. They will be put into the rotation, unless you set multiple players to force start as SP and there isn't enough spots in the rotation for them all. So the AI will pick the 5 it wants and set the 6th to some relief role. I'm playing OOTP 18, and I don't have this issue with the AI changing the role of a 6th+ SP in the bullpen, even when I tell them to sort the minor league. Maybe that's because I have the players locked to a league level, or because I'm set to control the lineups in the minors... I'm not sure.