Summary Stars & Scouting

USS_Zus · 03-21-2018, 05:56 PM

I've been an OOTP addict for a few years now but I still have not figured out where the summary star rating derives from. I've searched the internet and this forum for a definitive answer but haven't found one yet. I understand the basis for the OSA and head scout ratings, inaccuracies etc., but where does the basis for the summary stars on the main player profile screen come from? Is it an average of the two? Are there other factors included?

On a side note, when I click into the scouting portion for any particular player I notice my head scout has been dishing out 5 star ratings like they are going out of style. For example, my scout has Pat Neshek alternating between a 5 and 1 star rating on his scouting reports over the last year and a half. Is my head scout doing coke? Is this game so realistic that it now simulates a staff member drug problem or is this just a bug? Let me know, cause I seriously will can his ass.

Any help is much appreciated, thanks guys.

USS_Zus · 03-21-2018, 06:03 PM

Here is a picture of his wild variances in ratings if you look at the graph.

And here is a picture of his summary screen just a half star. How is this rating determined?

Dorfmann · 03-21-2018, 09:57 PM

Yeah, I've noticed both issues as well. Neither are new to this version. I pretty much just ignore the scouting screen due to my scout just randomly throwing out 5 star ratings to complete scrubs. It's a shame because those new detailed scouting reports are really nice.

BlueSkull · 03-23-2018, 08:46 PM

I had thought this was in some way related to scouting being relative to xyz leage as the setting. It is the default in this year's version, but I would have thought this problem would have been addressed, but I am experiencing it too. Anyone have a way to address it other than just ignoring scouting....which would seem to be ignoring a huge portion of the game.

PSUColonel · 03-23-2018, 08:56 PM

This is one issue which has bothered me for a long long time now.

NoOne · 03-23-2018, 10:45 PM

it is a specific equation based on ratings -- when it's milled down to a 11-point resolution ("0"+5*2) it will wildly vary for all sorts of reasons. even if you assume no AI evaluation using stats.. which leads to the second potential reason it wil vary wildly at first with any player that doesn't have any stats accrued - ai eval will cause it's own wildness when the first 3 years are played out of a career (or a seed player of a fictional league etc etc).

scouting inaccuracy or even a gain or loss of "1/200" point change of 1 ratings under-the-hood, if they are on the cusp of the next step up.

stats and AI can also influenceit if oyu have it activated... so i'd expect more volatility in the first years of a fictional league than a real-players 2018 league. (i guess a historical league starting in 1871? would be the same, otherwise you do have existing stats history for any players that is in the mlb when you start the league)

e..g Starting a league in 1960 -> anyone but a rookie that year has at least 1 year of stats to aid the ai stats evaluation.

the best solution to reduce the wild swings- use 20-80 scale. thats 61-pt. resolution. ~5x the 5 star choice. ("zero" and 1/2 stars included and "20" are included in the 20-80 scale, so an 11pt and 61pt scales)

fyi a 20-80 scale going by "5" is essentially hte exact same thing as the 5-star system... 2 points more for a total of 13, again including 20 or "0" is necessary for this math.

BlueSkull · 03-24-2018, 12:56 PM

Volatility is one thing....but I get these scouting reports that show that all these players are up to 4 or 5 stars and when you click on the player in that same scouting report, he has one star.

So this does't feel like it's about scouting inaccuracy or volatility in player performance, but in fact that there's something inherently broken in the calculation/formula. This shouldn't happen and should be fixable I would imagine.

NoOne · 03-26-2018, 09:23 AM

that's odd. never seen anythign like that, but i don't use such a small resolution for the scale. what i see on the scren matches what i see on profile.

do you have 100% accuracy on? old reports will be out of date because you see changes immediately in teh players with 100%.

did you re-run scouting ? maybve it's inaccuracy re-applying ?? guessing here.

i've read these posts in previous years, but i don't see the behaviour... must be something in the settings that causes it.

03-21-2018, 05:56 PM	#1
USS_Zus Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 12	Summary Stars & Scouting I've been an OOTP addict for a few years now but I still have not figured out where the summary star rating derives from. I've searched the internet and this forum for a definitive answer but haven't found one yet. I understand the basis for the OSA and head scout ratings, inaccuracies etc., but where does the basis for the summary stars on the main player profile screen come from? Is it an average of the two? Are there other factors included? On a side note, when I click into the scouting portion for any particular player I notice my head scout has been dishing out 5 star ratings like they are going out of style. For example, my scout has Pat Neshek alternating between a 5 and 1 star rating on his scouting reports over the last year and a half. Is my head scout doing coke? Is this game so realistic that it now simulates a staff member drug problem or is this just a bug? Let me know, cause I seriously will can his ass. Any help is much appreciated, thanks guys.

03-23-2018, 10:45 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	it is a specific equation based on ratings -- when it's milled down to a 11-point resolution ("0"+52) it will wildly vary for all sorts of reasons. even if you assume no AI evaluation using stats.. which leads to the second potential reason it wil vary wildly at first with any player that doesn't have any stats accrued - ai eval will cause it's own wildness when the first 3 years are played out of a career (or a seed player of a fictional league etc etc). scouting inaccuracy or even a gain or loss of "1/200" point change of 1 ratings under-the-hood, if they are on the cusp of the next step up. stats and AI can also influenceit if oyu have it activated... so i'd expect more volatility in the first years of a fictional league than a real-players 2018 league. (i guess a historical league starting in 1871? would be the same, otherwise you do have existing stats history for any players that is in the mlb when you start the league) e..g Starting a league in 1960 -> anyone but a rookie that year has at least 1 year of stats to aid the ai stats evaluation. the best solution to reduce the wild swings- use 20-80 scale. thats 61-pt. resolution. ~5x the 5 star choice. ("zero" and 1/2 stars included and "20" are included in the 20-80 scale, so an 11pt and 61pt scales) fyi a 20-80 scale going by "5" is essentially hte exact same thing as the 5-star system... 2 points more for a total of 13, again including 20 or "0" is necessary for this math. Last edited by NoOne; 03-23-2018 at 10:50 PM.*

03-21-2018, 06:03 PM	#2
USS_Zus Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 12	Here is a picture of his wild variances in ratings if you look at the graph. And here is a picture of his summary screen just a half star. How is this rating determined?

03-21-2018, 09:57 PM	#3
Dorfmann Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 144	Yeah, I've noticed both issues as well. Neither are new to this version. I pretty much just ignore the scouting screen due to my scout just randomly throwing out 5 star ratings to complete scrubs. It's a shame because those new detailed scouting reports are really nice.

03-23-2018, 08:46 PM	#4
BlueSkull Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: New York, NY Posts: 81	I had thought this was in some way related to scouting being relative to xyz leage as the setting. It is the default in this year's version, but I would have thought this problem would have been addressed, but I am experiencing it too. Anyone have a way to address it other than just ignoring scouting....which would seem to be ignoring a huge portion of the game.

03-23-2018, 08:56 PM	#5
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,136	This is one issue which has bothered me for a long long time now.

03-24-2018, 12:56 PM	#7
BlueSkull Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: New York, NY Posts: 81	Volatility is one thing....but I get these scouting reports that show that all these players are up to 4 or 5 stars and when you click on the player in that same scouting report, he has one star. So this does't feel like it's about scouting inaccuracy or volatility in player performance, but in fact that there's something inherently broken in the calculation/formula. This shouldn't happen and should be fixable I would imagine.

03-26-2018, 09:23 AM	#8
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	that's odd. never seen anythign like that, but i don't use such a small resolution for the scale. what i see on the scren matches what i see on profile. do you have 100% accuracy on? old reports will be out of date because you see changes immediately in teh players with 100%. did you re-run scouting ? maybve it's inaccuracy re-applying ?? guessing here. i've read these posts in previous years, but i don't see the behaviour... must be something in the settings that causes it.