Four Outfielders?

slapnutmagoo · 03-06-2014, 03:01 PM

By my own idiotic mistake, I have found myself with four All-Star calibre outfielders. I had the top prospect in the league, a centerfielder, and then I decided to sign a Cuban kid to an 8 year deal without realising I would be blocking my prospects route to the bigs. For reference, I've attached all of my outfielders profiles. I would like to know your opinions on what my options are. I've already ruled out switching any of them to the infield. I can't see myself being able to part ways with any of them, but we'll have to see. So if you guys just want to let me know what you would do, or maybe give me some ideas for rotations in the outfield, it would be greatly appreciated.

le receveur · 03-06-2014, 03:09 PM

well with those defensive ratings, Davis would never be allowed in my OF, so 1B would be the only option for me...

Bobble · 03-06-2014, 03:14 PM

How's your 1st baseman? Not a permanent switch to infield but how about:

Day 1:
1B - Vogel
LF - Davis
CF - Mireles
RF - Bruegelmans

Day 2:
1B - Davis
LF - Bruegelmans
CF - Vogel
RF - Mireles

JPL86 · 03-06-2014, 03:19 PM

I usually try to trade from strenghth to improve a weakness. I would look to trade one and improve my team where need be.

le receveur · 03-06-2014, 03:29 PM

also, curious why you didn't develop Vogel's other OF position in the minors, to add flexibility?

le receveur · 03-06-2014, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble

How's your 1st baseman? Not a permanent switch to infield but how about:

Day 1:
1B - Vogel
LF - Davis
CF - Mireles
RF - Bruegelmans

Day 2:
1B - Davis
LF - Bruegelmans
CF - Vogel
RF - Mireles

with his defensive skills, it makes no sense to move Vogel our of the OF.. shift Mereles to RF

tejdog1 · 03-06-2014, 04:54 PM

Why have you ruled out moving one of them (Davis) to 1b?

SirMichaelJordan · 03-06-2014, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by le receveur

with his defensive skills, it makes no sense to move Vogel our of the OF.. shift Mereles to RF

Vogel having experience at 1B and not the other outfield positions also seem odd IMO.

slapnutmagoo · 03-06-2014, 06:20 PM

I hadn't done much in the minors before this in terms of developing, so that's my fault for not doing it manually. The reason I'm reluctant to move Ward to first is his defence is horrible there as well. As for any movement to the infield, I have most positions filled, or prospects right around the corner. I thought it might be interesting to play around with something the way the Dodgers might have to this year. A rotating outfield?

le receveur · 03-06-2014, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapnutmagoo

I hadn't done much in the minors before this in terms of developing, so that's my fault for not doing it manually. The reason I'm reluctant to move Ward to first is his defence is horrible there as well. As for any movement to the infield, I have most positions filled, or prospects right around the corner. I thought it might be interesting to play around with something the way the Dodgers might have to this year. A rotating outfield?

i would play him a full season exclusively a 1B see if rating improves...

Tyler87898 · 03-06-2014, 06:38 PM

First base ratings aren't as important as other positions. Look at his infield ratings (arm, range, etc) and post here please. I'd take a 7/20 1B rating to keep someone in the lineup. Also, spring training is a good time to train him for 1B.

slapnutmagoo · 03-06-2014, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler87898

First base ratings aren't as important as other positions. Look at his infield ratings (arm, range, etc) and post here please. I'd take a 7/20 1B rating to keep someone in the lineup. Also, spring training is a good time to train him for 1B.

Infield Range: 4/20
Infield Error: 3/20
Infield Arm: 2/20
Turn DP: 2/20

Tyler87898 · 03-06-2014, 06:56 PM

Hmmm you could try to stick him at 1B but those are even a little low for my liking.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 03-06-2014, 07:03 PM

Put Davis at first or third. The rest, keep 'em in the OF. Or trade one if you can get something you want/need.

cmaug · 03-06-2014, 08:24 PM

Trade one of the corner guys for the best return and replace them with the Cuban.

Or move Davis to 1st base...

gosensgo101 · 03-06-2014, 08:52 PM

I'd put Davis at first base if your first baseman isn't any better than the worst of these guys. Depending on how Vogel's producing I wouldn't rule out sending him back to triple-A for another year.

Charlie Hough · 03-06-2014, 09:28 PM

The two CFs are way too good defensively in CF to waste their ability at another position. Either keep all fouroplayers to protect against inevitable injuries or trade Vogel for an outstanding outfielder who plays all three spots for depth. Or deal Vogel for a great SP. You can never have enough good pitching.

JMDurron · 03-08-2014, 08:01 PM

I'd completely ignore Charlie Hough's first sentence. There is no such thing as "way too good defensively in CF to waste their ability at another position." There is only "I can have another awesome defensive OFer!"

With that in mind, I'd immediately shift Mireles to RF. This is for two reasons. The first is that you did an inexcusably bad job of developing Vogel's defensive flexibility, while Mireles is already a 10/20 at that position. You don't want to shift a player with no experience at a position mid-season, even if he has the ratings for it. The second is that Mireles is already 26, while Vogel is only 20, and both are going to be on your roster for a long period of time. This means that you should lock-in the younger player as the CF, as Mireles' range will begin declining due to age much sooner than Vogel's will. Mireles will likely be a 20/20 defensive RFer with those ratings, so if you get a FB-heavy staff, you could have a real defensive advantage.

This leaves Davis and Breugelmans. Without seeing their full season stats, I'm making a guess here, but I'm assuming that both players have fairly normal platoon splits. I would platoon the two players in LF, since they are your weaker defensive options and appear to compliment each other. I prefer Davis' batting ratings (contact trumps power, IMO), and his OF ratings are slightly better (arm isn't a big deal to me in LF), so I'd use the depth chart to skew away from a straight platoon and ensure that he gets at least 60-70% of the starts. I would only do this for the 2015 season.

Davis and Breugelmans are a completely different conversation from Vogel and Mireles, not only because of their defensive ratings, but because of their contract lengths. I am assuming that Breugelmans was a Super-Two, otherwise there was some insanity involved with his salary as an Arb-1 player. Not seeing the career stats is an issue here. I think the solution here is to trade Breugelmans prior to the arbitration hearings at the end of the 2015 season, in order to get the max value for him prior to his next salary bump. Davis is marginally better defensively, has batting ratings that I prefer, and is more popular with your fanbase. He is also signed through 2017 at a price that Breugelmans looks to surpass in his next arb year, so Davis is the better option, both on the field and on the balance sheet. Breugelmans can get 30-40% of the OF starts and lots of PH duty (plus injuries do happen) to not completely tank his trade value, then you can cash in a major chip in the offseason, or at the trade deadline if another need presents itself.

damientheomen3 · 03-10-2014, 12:25 AM

I'd DH Davis if you use that setting, then, if Vogel develops well, let Davis walk after 2017. Let some other team overpay the aging outfielder.

bwburke94 · 03-10-2014, 04:39 PM

OP is in the National League, so no DH.

03-06-2014, 03:01 PM	#1
slapnutmagoo Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6	Four Outfielders? By my own idiotic mistake, I have found myself with four All-Star calibre outfielders. I had the top prospect in the league, a centerfielder, and then I decided to sign a Cuban kid to an 8 year deal without realising I would be blocking my prospects route to the bigs. For reference, I've attached all of my outfielders profiles. I would like to know your opinions on what my options are. I've already ruled out switching any of them to the infield. I can't see myself being able to part ways with any of them, but we'll have to see. So if you guys just want to let me know what you would do, or maybe give me some ideas for rotations in the outfield, it would be greatly appreciated. Attached Images

03-06-2014, 03:14 PM	#3
Bobble Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: High and outside Posts: 4,033	How's your 1st baseman? Not a permanent switch to infield but how about: Day 1: 1B - Vogel LF - Davis CF - Mireles RF - Bruegelmans Day 2: 1B - Davis LF - Bruegelmans CF - Vogel RF - Mireles __________________

03-06-2014, 04:54 PM	#7
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,654	Why have you ruled out moving one of them (Davis) to 1b? __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

03-06-2014, 07:03 PM	#14
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,426	Put Davis at first or third. The rest, keep 'em in the OF. Or trade one if you can get something you want/need. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

03-08-2014, 08:01 PM	#18
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	I'd completely ignore Charlie Hough's first sentence. There is no such thing as "way too good defensively in CF to waste their ability at another position." There is only "I can have another awesome defensive OFer!" With that in mind, I'd immediately shift Mireles to RF. This is for two reasons. The first is that you did an inexcusably bad job of developing Vogel's defensive flexibility, while Mireles is already a 10/20 at that position. You don't want to shift a player with no experience at a position mid-season, even if he has the ratings for it. The second is that Mireles is already 26, while Vogel is only 20, and both are going to be on your roster for a long period of time. This means that you should lock-in the younger player as the CF, as Mireles' range will begin declining due to age much sooner than Vogel's will. Mireles will likely be a 20/20 defensive RFer with those ratings, so if you get a FB-heavy staff, you could have a real defensive advantage. This leaves Davis and Breugelmans. Without seeing their full season stats, I'm making a guess here, but I'm assuming that both players have fairly normal platoon splits. I would platoon the two players in LF, since they are your weaker defensive options and appear to compliment each other. I prefer Davis' batting ratings (contact trumps power, IMO), and his OF ratings are slightly better (arm isn't a big deal to me in LF), so I'd use the depth chart to skew away from a straight platoon and ensure that he gets at least 60-70% of the starts. I would only do this for the 2015 season. Davis and Breugelmans are a completely different conversation from Vogel and Mireles, not only because of their defensive ratings, but because of their contract lengths. I am assuming that Breugelmans was a Super-Two, otherwise there was some insanity involved with his salary as an Arb-1 player. Not seeing the career stats is an issue here. I think the solution here is to trade Breugelmans prior to the arbitration hearings at the end of the 2015 season, in order to get the max value for him prior to his next salary bump. Davis is marginally better defensively, has batting ratings that I prefer, and is more popular with your fanbase. He is also signed through 2017 at a price that Breugelmans looks to surpass in his next arb year, so Davis is the better option, both on the field and on the balance sheet. Breugelmans can get 30-40% of the OF starts and lots of PH duty (plus injuries do happen) to not completely tank his trade value, then you can cash in a major chip in the offseason, or at the trade deadline if another need presents itself. Last edited by JMDurron; 03-09-2014 at 09:11 AM.

03-06-2014, 03:09 PM	#2
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	well with those defensive ratings, Davis would never be allowed in my OF, so 1B would be the only option for me...

03-06-2014, 03:19 PM	#4
JPL86 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 170	I usually try to trade from strenghth to improve a weakness. I would look to trade one and improve my team where need be.

03-06-2014, 03:29 PM	#5
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	also, curious why you didn't develop Vogel's other OF position in the minors, to add flexibility?

03-06-2014, 06:20 PM	#9
slapnutmagoo Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 6	I hadn't done much in the minors before this in terms of developing, so that's my fault for not doing it manually. The reason I'm reluctant to move Ward to first is his defence is horrible there as well. As for any movement to the infield, I have most positions filled, or prospects right around the corner. I thought it might be interesting to play around with something the way the Dodgers might have to this year. A rotating outfield?

03-06-2014, 06:38 PM	#11
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 794	First base ratings aren't as important as other positions. Look at his infield ratings (arm, range, etc) and post here please. I'd take a 7/20 1B rating to keep someone in the lineup. Also, spring training is a good time to train him for 1B.

03-06-2014, 06:56 PM	#13
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 794	Hmmm you could try to stick him at 1B but those are even a little low for my liking.

03-06-2014, 08:24 PM	#15
cmaug Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 344	Trade one of the corner guys for the best return and replace them with the Cuban. Or move Davis to 1st base...

03-06-2014, 08:52 PM	#16
gosensgo101 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 231	I'd put Davis at first base if your first baseman isn't any better than the worst of these guys. Depending on how Vogel's producing I wouldn't rule out sending him back to triple-A for another year.

03-06-2014, 09:28 PM	#17
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	The two CFs are way too good defensively in CF to waste their ability at another position. Either keep all fouroplayers to protect against inevitable injuries or trade Vogel for an outstanding outfielder who plays all three spots for depth. Or deal Vogel for a great SP. You can never have enough good pitching.

03-10-2014, 04:39 PM	#20
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,519	OP is in the National League, so no DH.