First year free agents asking for too much money in Indy minor leagues

drksd4848 · 08-29-2013, 02:07 PM

Every time I create free agents destine for my small scale salary (single A AA level) independent league, where minimum salaries are $2000, they still ask for $400000+.

Shouldn't their salary demands be commensurate with the league they are created in? Like, if they are created in a Major League, they'd ask for 400000+, If they are created in an Independent minor league level, they should ask for a salary related to that league.

It worked that way in the past...

drksd4848 · 08-29-2013, 07:54 PM

Or, at least commensurate with their level of development. Independent Leaguers should not as for a $414,000 in their first year.

In the past versions, free agents salaries ran from the lowest league minimum salary to the highest. That allowed AI run indy minor leagues to sign players. Right now, any league like that under a Major League can sign anyone because they ask for too high a salary.

Hence, the free agent system is broken.

The Game · 08-29-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by drksd4848

Hence, the free agent system is broken.

This is a problem for any league that has MLB and a competing league. In my ELB vs MLB league with modern 2012 MLB competing vs the EBL with it's 1982 finances, no EBL team can sign FA from it's league. I even have that FA's can not leave this league. The EBL National League 2006 is asking for 6.5 million and is still a FA as of May 7th. Every season I am forced to manually resign EBL players (mostly the edited players) so that they stay in the EBL vs signing with MLB or the CBF and their 2003 finances.

SirMichaelJordan · 08-30-2013, 07:37 AM

Change the PCM's so that the Indy players aren't as talented as the Major league players. Now they won't ask for major league money.

Easy way to do this is to copy the saber modifiers from one of your minor leagues. (Or just change the indy league from major to A, AA, or AAA and it will adjust the PCM's automatically) you don't need to touch the traditional modifiers.

drksd4848 · 08-30-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Change the PCM's so that the Indy players aren't as talented as the Major league players. Now they won't ask for major league money.

Easy way to do this is to copy the saber modifiers from one of your minor leagues. (Or just change the indy league from major to A, AA, or AAA and it will adjust the PCM's automatically) you don't need to touch the traditional modifiers.

Did that. All are created with a A, AA, AAA with tweaked PCMs between .650 and .900.

Doesn't have any effect

Now, if I kill the Major League, the salary demands line up more with the associated leagues. But I want the Major League to pluck the best players from the Indy leagues as the years go on and they improve.

TGH-Adfabre · 08-30-2013, 07:59 PM

1) Is the Indy league flush with cash?
2) Is the ML flush with cash?
3) Anyone think there is a possibility the Indy league money is combined with the ML money?
If so then I would assume the Indy league players would expect ML money.
Are the Indy league FA demands inline, above or below ML demands of similar players?

SirMichaelJordan · 08-30-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by drksd4848

Did that. All are created with a A, AA, AAA with tweaked PCMs between .650 and .900.

Doesn't have any effect

Now, if I kill the Major League, the salary demands line up more with the associated leagues. But I want the Major League to pluck the best players from the Indy leagues as the years go on and they improve.

I would personally set the Indy league PCM's to around rookie league. That is what I did for my universe and everything worked out find. AAA would be too high as that is what I used for my Nippon league (tweaked power hitting to .500) and the best players ask for major league contracts. AA is a little too high also as I set my Cuban league around that level and the best players from that league ask for major league money (though, not as much as Japan's best player) Mexico, KBO and CPBL are set to around A ball (with tweaks accordingly) and their best players ask for major league money. So would say set indy to rookie level or below.

One thing I did do with my Indy league recently was to set it as an unaffiliated minor league under the MLB.

For reference: http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?tag=clay-davenport

olivertheorem · 08-30-2013, 09:32 PM

I'm guessing that the FA's are looking at money available in the game universe rather than the league itself. So, they look at all the money in the MLB and want a piece of it. If FA's aren't allowed to leave, they should just look at the money in the league they're in. If they are allowed to leave, then letting them "see" the MLB money makes sense.

The Game · 08-31-2013, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I'm guessing that the FA's are looking at money available in the game universe rather than the league itself. So, they look at all the money in the MLB and want a piece of it. If FA's aren't allowed to leave, they should just look at the money in the league they're in. If they are allowed to leave, then letting them "see" the MLB money makes sense.

But even with FA can not leave league they still ask for ML $$. I have had this problem in my league since 2004. a 2 star SS that was making 125K in 2010 (1980 finances) is asking for 6 million, goes unsigned until July when I sign him at 600K. This is why i forced to manually sign FA's. Some guy leave the league no matter that FA's can not leave league. Both Bowtie & Athletics17 have dealt with this in 2 different tickets since OOTP 12.

drksd4848 · 08-31-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I would personally set the Indy league PCM's to around rookie league. That is what I did for my universe and everything worked out find. AAA would be too high as that is what I used for my Nippon league (tweaked power hitting to .500) and the best players ask for major league contracts. AA is a little too high also as I set my Cuban league around that level and the best players from that league ask for major league money (though, not as much as Japan's best player) Mexico, KBO and CPBL are set to around A ball (with tweaks accordingly) and their best players ask for major league money. So would say set indy to rookie level or below.

One thing I did do with my Indy league recently was to set it as an unaffiliated minor league under the MLB.

For reference: clay davenport at Nationals Arm Race

I like your setup. I'm doing the same thing with real life indies, only Atlantic league is AAA, Canam and american association is AA and pecos and frontier is A. But I think what you are doing is more accurate...

SirMichaelJordan · 09-01-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by drksd4848

I like your setup. I'm doing the same thing with real life indies, only Atlantic league is AAA, Canam and american association is AA and pecos and frontier is A. But I think what you are doing is more accurate...

I would start the Atlantic League at Rookie level PCM's then scale down to maybe even high school for the lesser talented Indy Leagues. This way most of the players created by those leagues will just be good minor league players with the occasional average Major league player coming out of those leagues. Guys undrafted from the major league draft pool, players that were cur and left over Int complex players along with aging vets should raise the talent level of the Indy leagues but the league itself shouldn't create that much talent.

08-29-2013, 02:07 PM	#1
drksd4848 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,932	First year free agents asking for too much money in Indy minor leagues Every time I create free agents destine for my small scale salary (single A AA level) independent league, where minimum salaries are $2000, they still ask for $400000+. Shouldn't their salary demands be commensurate with the league they are created in? Like, if they are created in a Major League, they'd ask for 400000+, If they are created in an Independent minor league level, they should ask for a salary related to that league. It worked that way in the past...

08-30-2013, 07:37 AM	#4
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	First year free agents asking for too much money in Indy minor leagues Change the PCM's so that the Indy players aren't as talented as the Major league players. Now they won't ask for major league money. Easy way to do this is to copy the saber modifiers from one of your minor leagues. (Or just change the indy league from major to A, AA, or AAA and it will adjust the PCM's automatically) you don't need to touch the traditional modifiers.

08-30-2013, 07:59 PM	#6
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,601	1) Is the Indy league flush with cash? 2) Is the ML flush with cash? 3) Anyone think there is a possibility the Indy league money is combined with the ML money? If so then I would assume the Indy league players would expect ML money. Are the Indy league FA demands inline, above or below ML demands of similar players? __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife Last edited by TGH-Adfabre; 08-30-2013 at 08:01 PM.

08-29-2013, 07:54 PM	#2
drksd4848 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,932	Or, at least commensurate with their level of development. Independent Leaguers should not as for a $414,000 in their first year. In the past versions, free agents salaries ran from the lowest league minimum salary to the highest. That allowed AI run indy minor leagues to sign players. Right now, any league like that under a Major League can sign anyone because they ask for too high a salary. Hence, the free agent system is broken.

08-30-2013, 09:32 PM	#8
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I'm guessing that the FA's are looking at money available in the game universe rather than the league itself. So, they look at all the money in the MLB and want a piece of it. If FA's aren't allowed to leave, they should just look at the money in the league they're in. If they are allowed to leave, then letting them "see" the MLB money makes sense.