Statistically inaccurate

[revcarte]

First let me say that iootp is very entertaining for me and I enjoy it. However, the game has become very frustrating for me. I am playing the 65 Dodgers and I am manually playing every game. This is the best team in baseball for 1965 yet my 65 Dodgers are only in third place and the offense is non-existant. However.... the bullpen (Perranoski and Jim Brewer) which is supposed to be great has blown lead after lead. In fact they have on at least three occasions blown leads of 5 runs or more in the ninth inning. Unreal! And then Koufax blows a 4 run lead in the ninth inning without being able to get anyone out (and no he was not tired). I will still play the game (for now) but the unrealism is getting old.

[Husky51]

I've run 65 twice, but have not played the Dodgers. Both times they won the world series, with the lowest ERA and the second to lowest BA and no HR power at all. I don't save the seasons so that's about all I can remember. For a downer, try playing the 2004 Cubs!

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by revcarte

First let me say that iootp is very entertaining for me and I enjoy it. However, the game has become very frustrating for me. I am playing the 65 Dodgers and I am manually playing every game. This is the best team in baseball for 1965 yet my 65 Dodgers are only in third place and the offense is non-existant. However.... the bullpen (Perranoski and Jim Brewer) which is supposed to be great has blown lead after lead. In fact they have on at least three occasions blown leads of 5 runs or more in the ninth inning. Unreal! And then Koufax blows a 4 run lead in the ninth inning without being able to get anyone out (and no he was not tired). I will still play the game (for now) but the unrealism is getting old.

The Dodgers in 1965 were not a great team. They won with Smoke and mirrors and pitching. They had the lowest batting ave ever for a World Series winner and were considered a team where Wills would walk then steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a ground out and win 1-0. They were anything but a GREAT team and could not hit a lick. Hope this helps explain why they do not hit in the game.................................Z

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by Husky51

I've run 65 twice, but have not played the Dodgers. Both times they won the world series, with the lowest ERA and the second to lowest BA and no HR power at all. I don't save the seasons so that's about all I can remember. For a downer, try playing the 2004 Cubs!

Wow that is fantastic because with SOM and Action they never came close to winning anything. This shows how good OOTP is with their historical accuracy. I did a sim with SOM in the 1965 season and the Dodgers ended up in 6th place. How did the Giants do in your sim?.............................................. ..Z

[Walsh06]

if your playing every game could it be your strategy thats letting you down??

[Sebastian Palkowski]

And please keep in mind that one season is a small sample size. Injuries, bad years for player and/or bad luck can alter the results. iOOTP is not a pure replay game, it is a simulation that tries to give you a framework of a given era or season. It will never give you 100% exact results like in reality (which would be boring, right?) but the results should mirror reality even if influenced by stuff like injuries, trades and pure (bad) luck.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by palli

It will never give you 100% exact results like in reality (which would be boring, right?) but the results should mirror reality even if influenced by stuff like injuries, trades and pure (bad) luck.

I find it amusing that SOM prides it self for season replays at 20 bucks a season and OOTP and PS both do a better job of recreating a season and they both give you over a 100 years worth of seasons. I have a closet full of season disks from SOM. I live on Long Island and use to drive to the SOM warehouse every year to get the new season. I have done a lot of test with PS against SOM seasons and PS wins every time hands down with better accuracy. Now I see from the post above that OOTP is doing the same. I play fictional with OOTP and I find it the best game out there for this.........................................Z

[Husky51]

Originally Posted by Zorro

I find it amusing that SOM prides it self for season replays at 20 bucks a season and OOTP and PS both do a better job of recreating a season and they both give you over a 100 years worth of seasons. I have a closet full of season disks from SOM. I live on Long Island and use to drive to the SOM warehouse every year to get the new season. I have done a lot of test with PS against SOM seasons and PS wins every time hands down with better accuracy. Now I see from the post above that OOTP is doing the same. I play fictional with OOTP and I find it the best game out there for this.........................................Z

I play Cards and Dice SOM for single team, as played replays, and i have the SOM pc game. I like both, but iootp has brought something to market that strat players are asking for but i doubt will ever see judging from the discussion on their forum. Their 3 min baseball app is decidedly Low-A ball when compared to ioopt in terms of playability, and the price point is unbeatable. To obtain 10 seasons from strat that will be offered for .99 each or 10 for 4.99 with ioopt version 1.1 would cost over $200 from strat for the pc game! And close to $400 for the cards which strat does not make available for most seasons. I never heard of iootp, now I don't stop talking about it.

[Husky51]

Originally Posted by Zorro

Wow that is fantastic because with SOM and Action they never came close to winning anything. This shows how good OOTP is with their historical accuracy. I did a sim with SOM in the 1965 season and the Dodgers ended up in 6th place. How did the Giants do in your sim?.............................................. ..Z

I think one year they were second, but i dump the stats after the season.

I am playing Minn 65 right now, but i in looking at the nl, i see LA is up on the Phils by 1 game after 64 games in. Team era is 2.42 and they are hitting .240 with the lowest team HR total in the NL, and Osteen is their best pitcher in terms of wins, but Koufax has the lower Era, which tells me the paltry offense has been even more anemic when Sandy is on the mound. the Giants are in 6th.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by Husky51

I think one year they were second, but i dump the stats after the season.

I am playing Minn 65 right now, but i in looking at the nl, i see LA is up on the Phils by 1 game after 64 games in. Team era is 2.42 and they are hitting .240 with the lowest team HR total in the NL, and Osteen is their best pitcher in terms of wins, but Koufax has the lower Era, which tells me the paltry offense has been even more anemic when Sandy is on the mound. the Giants are in 6th.

Thanks for the info. How are you doing with the Twins?I always liked that team.................................Z

[Husky51]

Originally Posted by Zorro

Thanks for the info. How are you doing with the Twins?I always liked that team.................................Z

I really like them. They are up 5 on Cal. Minchner is a monster, Killebrew has barely a 200 BA, but 15 dingers. I like Battey. The cpu wants to bat him second, but i resist, yet when he does bat there, he comes through. So maybe it knows something about him. Oliva is among the tops in hr, rbi and, sb. Kaat is awesome, Mudcat pretty good. Pleis has been a pleasant surprise, Klippstein has blown a few and i am seeing how Merritt will handle some spot starts. Fun team to play. I am just so used to strat that i have to remember i am not replaying with 65 numbers, per se, but 64's performance with the player's potential factored it.

[revcarte]

Originally Posted by Walsh06

if your playing every game could it be your strategy thats letting you down??

you might have a point but nobody is addressing my main concern that the Dodger bullpen has blown at least three games with a 5 run (or more) lead in the ninth inning. With guys like Brewer and Perranoski it just seems so unreal and it sure is a helpless feeling to watch a 5 run lead evaporate in the ninth and nothing you do seems to help. I appreciate all the feedback (which I did not anticipate).

[Sebastian Palkowski]

Originally Posted by revcarte

you might have a point but nobody is addressing my main concern that the Dodger bullpen has blown at least three games with a 5 run (or more) lead in the ninth inning. With guys like Brewer and Perranoski it just seems so unreal and it sure is a helpless feeling to watch a 5 run lead evaporate in the ninth and nothing you do seems to help. I appreciate all the feedback (which I did not anticipate).

One thing to look at: make sure your pitcher is no tired on the mound! During my testing I saw pitcher give up a great amount of hits and walks and I remember that I complaint to Markus but then realized that I tested something and never changed pitcher during the game and after they got tired they imploded eventually.