More than one "major" league

tombair · 06-21-2011, 06:54 PM

I plan to have a 28-team MLB and three independent leagues that will be of lesser quality (to varying degrees). If I make all of them "Major League Level" but with differing Player Creation Modifiers, will the stats from all of them count towards career milestones, the Hall of Fame, etc. For example, Frank Smith hits 498 HR in the Northern League (which is my worst league) and finally gets to MLB and hits 2 HR there...will he be credited with 500 HR and be elected to the HoF (assuming the standard is 500)?

Thanks.

olivertheorem · 06-21-2011, 07:10 PM

I'm just making an educated guess here, but I think each so-designated "major" league has it's own Hall of Fame, not a single universal one. Kind of like how there's a MLB Hall, but basketball has a universal one, instead of NBA-only.

tombair · 06-21-2011, 09:14 PM

A few versions ago (forget which one...probably 9 or 10) I think there was only one HoF. I just don't want to get 20 years in and realize that is the case.

cibl commish · 06-21-2011, 10:09 PM

Started one today with 4 major leagues in various places I haven't gotten far enough for any inductions but it appears they will be separate.

Peregrine · 06-22-2011, 12:09 AM

I know in 11 there is a separate Hall of Fame for each league - it's a bit annoying as well because if you enable players to move from one league to another, they end up in the HoF of whatever league they finished up in.

Cras · 06-22-2011, 12:18 AM

I guess that is another good reason to not let the game induct players but use a 3rd party application HOF calucator and induct players yourself. I started doing that in last year in version 11, and it worked well. Was able to mimic "first ballot" HOFers and that sort of thing.

sbrylski · 06-22-2011, 12:42 AM

Players are elected into a universal HOF that uses all their "major league" stats to induct them. However, each league has it's own HOF that only shows the stats for each player accumulated in their league. Kind of weird.

For example, John Smith plays 15 years in the MLB and 1 season in the Nippon League, he would show up in both HOF's, but the MLB hall won't count his Nippon stats and the Nippon hall won't count his MLB stats.

tombair · 06-22-2011, 06:28 AM

OK, thanks. I guess I will make the indy league AAA and AA. Hopefully that will eliminate the problem. Will also look at manual induction. Thanks for that advice.

cibl commish · 06-22-2011, 12:56 PM

I think manual induction would be the way to go, especially if you have a star MLB player finish in Nippon or something like that.

boshk · 06-22-2011, 02:08 PM

in ootp11 i was getting guys inducted into the MLB HOF, but didnt have numbers to make it, they got over the mark in japan. when i realized that was happening, i changed the japan level to AAA (which is more closer to their actual level of play anyways) and it stopped happening.

Chicagofan76 · 06-22-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sbrylski

Players are elected into a universal HOF that uses all their "major league" stats to induct them. However, each league has it's own HOF that only shows the stats for each player accumulated in their league. Kind of weird.

For example, John Smith plays 15 years in the MLB and 1 season in the Nippon League, he would show up in both HOF's, but the MLB hall won't count his Nippon stats and the Nippon hall won't count his MLB stats.

HUH?

While I thought my idea of The Universal HOF was unique for my leagues that i have run from TLR3 to Hardball to OOTP 11.. I havent noticed a Universal HOF yet, but maybe i am not far enough into my leagues. The Only HOF caliber player to play both MLB and on Endor is Barry Larkin who hit .274 27 hr 143 rbi with 19 sb in 3 seasons on Endor, But He still has 4 more yrs until he is HOF eligible.

So what your saying is Larkin who should will get inducted into Cooperstown ( i will manually induct him most likely) will also show up in Bright Tree ( Endors HOF) with only 3 season played?

For the OP

I have 4 major leagues running I upped some #'s lowered others for the 3 leagues that r not MLB. ERA modifiers are lower (for lower ERA's, forgot which way they go) for Endor but Higher on Coruscant and much higher for the Australian league. HR modifiers are lower for 2 leagues. and higher on Ednor then even MLB is since I have 3 players over 800 hr.

sbrylski · 06-22-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

HUH?

While I thought my idea of The Universal HOF was unique for my leagues that i have run from TLR3 to Hardball to OOTP 11.. I havent noticed a Universal HOF yet, but maybe i am not far enough into my leagues. The Only HOF caliber player to play both MLB and on Endor is Barry Larkin who hit .274 27 hr 143 rbi with 19 sb in 3 seasons on Endor, But He still has 4 more yrs until he is HOF eligible.

So what your saying is Larkin who should will get inducted into Cooperstown ( i will manually induct him most likely) will also show up in Bright Tree ( Endors HOF) with only 3 season played?

I just ran a quick test sim. I had League A and League B. I lowered the HOF requirements, and simmed 10 years.

The list of people that showed up when I selected League A -> HOF was the same list of people that showed up when I selected League B -> HOF. The only difference is it only showed the stats accumulated by the player in that leagues. To see the player's combined stats, you had to open his player page.

tombair · 06-22-2011, 06:10 PM

Thanks for confirming that and saving me some time. I'll just make the Federal League and the Mexican League AAA and the Northern League AA.

KowboyKoop · 06-22-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

I guess that is another good reason to not let the game induct players but use a 3rd party application HOF calucator and induct players yourself. I started doing that in last year in version 11, and it worked well. Was able to mimic "first ballot" HOFers and that sort of thing.

Where can I find one of these calculators at? If you are talking about what I think you are, anyways.

tombair · 06-23-2011, 04:17 PM

I'd like to know what people are using as well. Any tips would be appreciated.

Cras · 06-23-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

Where can I find one of these calculators at? If you are talking about what I think you are, anyways.

OOTP Misc. Files

Its a few items down the list, but I used Lighthousekeeper's OOTP Companion. It was made for OOTPX, but worked just fine for v11.
It helped me a lot in determining who to manually induct into the HoF.

But it seems a lot of things have changed in v12 interms of the .dat files and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work for 12. May have to wait for one of the good mod developers to release something to work for v12.

tombair · 06-23-2011, 05:57 PM

Thanks, I had seen that...and am hoping for an upgrade.

clamel · 06-28-2011, 07:32 PM

How do you guys set up these Indy leagues ???

I get troubles with contracts. Players that sign for star status in the Indy leagues get too many years. I would like to keep players at max 1 year contracts.
Even then when that "star" is free he demands AND gets ridiculous salaries going back to the MLB.

They think a star is a star I guess.

I setup my Indy leagues as "other" Major leagues, since I can´t think of setting them up as not affiliated minor leagues.

Appreciate whatever info on your setups guys

tombair · 06-28-2011, 09:30 PM

You have to make sure the player creation modifiers are adjusted. I just made the indy leagues AAA and AA level. I have not seen the majors offer big money to mediocre players though they will sign the top players (which is what I want). And you have to set up the financials so the indy leagues pay less. I have the majors set so the superstars get $1M and average players get $250K. The Federal League has top salary of $250K and an average of $80K. The Northern league is set lower - top salary of $100K. And you have to adjust those leagues so that the teams are not making too much money - otherwise they will start paying players too much.

I'm still running tests but it seems to be working well. My whole plan was that a few guys would come up with the indy teams and make the majors. And some mediocre players who were cut by the majors would go to the indy leagues and maybe work their way back to the majors. I also see a number of older players go to the indy leagues to extend their careers. That was part of my plan too and it seems to work pretty well.

You don't want to allow trading between the leagues because the majors could possibly trade a guy with a big salary to an indy team, blowing it's budget.

In real life indy teams will sell players to the majors or the players' contracts will allow them to join MLB if they get an offer. Unfortunately, OOTP can't model that.

clamel · 06-30-2011, 09:03 AM

I´m trying to get the same results, as everybody I guess.

I have read that some trying to setup Indy leagues as non affiliated minor leagues, but then it will have no financials I think.

My tryout would be to perhaps setup the Indy leagues (3-5) as Majors but with, like you say, lower players creation qualifier.
I of course running real life players and started this league in 2008. The amount of lower class FAs and some old-timers drifting along is ment to be picked up by Indy League teams (that I will at start keep empty).

I would keep the FA set to 1 year in these Indy Leagues, hoping to see 90% 1 year contracts so that players could get back to the Major Leagues shortly, if improved. Then I wonder if they sign a Minor leagues contract ??

Could one setup Indy Leagues without financial, in case they almost look likes affialated minors.
The financial issue is based on that the AI see minor league contracts as ZERO dollars, so the new Indy Leagues, in the AI eyes, is better with just a salary of 10,000.

I will keep drafts in Indy Leagues to 2 rounds with creations of lets say 39-41 year old players. They will retire shortly and most players created will come from the correct drafts in the Majors.
Better keep an eye on 39-41 players created as FA that will be none RL.
Delete will be the way to go I guess, every off-season.

06-21-2011, 06:54 PM	#1
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	More than one "major" league I plan to have a 28-team MLB and three independent leagues that will be of lesser quality (to varying degrees). If I make all of them "Major League Level" but with differing Player Creation Modifiers, will the stats from all of them count towards career milestones, the Hall of Fame, etc. For example, Frank Smith hits 498 HR in the Northern League (which is my worst league) and finally gets to MLB and hits 2 HR there...will he be credited with 500 HR and be elected to the HoF (assuming the standard is 500)? Thanks. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-21-2011, 09:14 PM	#3
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	A few versions ago (forget which one...probably 9 or 10) I think there was only one HoF. I just don't want to get 20 years in and realize that is the case. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-21-2011, 10:09 PM	#4
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 611	Started one today with 4 major leagues in various places I haven't gotten far enough for any inductions but it appears they will be separate. __________________ Rick

06-22-2011, 12:18 AM	#6
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	I guess that is another good reason to not let the game induct players but use a 3rd party application HOF calucator and induct players yourself. I started doing that in last year in version 11, and it worked well. Was able to mimic "first ballot" HOFers and that sort of thing. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

06-22-2011, 12:42 AM	#7
sbrylski Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 331	Players are elected into a universal HOF that uses all their "major league" stats to induct them. However, each league has it's own HOF that only shows the stats for each player accumulated in their league. Kind of weird. For example, John Smith plays 15 years in the MLB and 1 season in the Nippon League, he would show up in both HOF's, but the MLB hall won't count his Nippon stats and the Nippon hall won't count his MLB stats. __________________ The International Baseball Association - A Quick-Start League

06-21-2011, 07:10 PM	#2
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I'm just making an educated guess here, but I think each so-designated "major" league has it's own Hall of Fame, not a single universal one. Kind of like how there's a MLB Hall, but basketball has a universal one, instead of NBA-only.

06-22-2011, 12:09 AM	#5
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	I know in 11 there is a separate Hall of Fame for each league - it's a bit annoying as well because if you enable players to move from one league to another, they end up in the HoF of whatever league they finished up in.

06-22-2011, 06:28 AM	#8
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	OK, thanks. I guess I will make the indy league AAA and AA. Hopefully that will eliminate the problem. Will also look at manual induction. Thanks for that advice. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-22-2011, 12:56 PM	#9
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 611	I think manual induction would be the way to go, especially if you have a star MLB player finish in Nippon or something like that. __________________ Rick

06-22-2011, 02:08 PM	#10
boshk All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	in ootp11 i was getting guys inducted into the MLB HOF, but didnt have numbers to make it, they got over the mark in japan. when i realized that was happening, i changed the japan level to AAA (which is more closer to their actual level of play anyways) and it stopped happening.

06-22-2011, 06:10 PM	#13
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	Thanks for confirming that and saving me some time. I'll just make the Federal League and the Mexican League AAA and the Northern League AA. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-23-2011, 04:17 PM	#15
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	I'd like to know what people are using as well. Any tips would be appreciated. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-23-2011, 05:57 PM	#17
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	Thanks, I had seen that...and am hoping for an upgrade. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-28-2011, 07:32 PM	#18
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	How do you guys set up these Indy leagues ??? I get troubles with contracts. Players that sign for star status in the Indy leagues get too many years. I would like to keep players at max 1 year contracts. Even then when that "star" is free he demands AND gets ridiculous salaries going back to the MLB. They think a star is a star I guess. I setup my Indy leagues as "other" Major leagues, since I can´t think of setting them up as not affiliated minor leagues. Appreciate whatever info on your setups guys

06-28-2011, 09:30 PM	#19
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	You have to make sure the player creation modifiers are adjusted. I just made the indy leagues AAA and AA level. I have not seen the majors offer big money to mediocre players though they will sign the top players (which is what I want). And you have to set up the financials so the indy leagues pay less. I have the majors set so the superstars get $1M and average players get $250K. The Federal League has top salary of $250K and an average of $80K. The Northern league is set lower - top salary of $100K. And you have to adjust those leagues so that the teams are not making too much money - otherwise they will start paying players too much. I'm still running tests but it seems to be working well. My whole plan was that a few guys would come up with the indy teams and make the majors. And some mediocre players who were cut by the majors would go to the indy leagues and maybe work their way back to the majors. I also see a number of older players go to the indy leagues to extend their careers. That was part of my plan too and it seems to work pretty well. You don't want to allow trading between the leagues because the majors could possibly trade a guy with a big salary to an indy team, blowing it's budget. In real life indy teams will sell players to the majors or the players' contracts will allow them to join MLB if they get an offer. Unfortunately, OOTP can't model that. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

06-30-2011, 09:03 AM	#20
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	I´m trying to get the same results, as everybody I guess. I have read that some trying to setup Indy leagues as non affiliated minor leagues, but then it will have no financials I think. My tryout would be to perhaps setup the Indy leagues (3-5) as Majors but with, like you say, lower players creation qualifier. I of course running real life players and started this league in 2008. The amount of lower class FAs and some old-timers drifting along is ment to be picked up by Indy League teams (that I will at start keep empty). I would keep the FA set to 1 year in these Indy Leagues, hoping to see 90% 1 year contracts so that players could get back to the Major Leagues shortly, if improved. Then I wonder if they sign a Minor leagues contract ?? Could one setup Indy Leagues without financial, in case they almost look likes affialated minors. The financial issue is based on that the AI see minor league contracts as ZERO dollars, so the new Indy Leagues, in the AI eyes, is better with just a salary of 10,000. I will keep drafts in Indy Leagues to 2 rounds with creations of lets say 39-41 year old players. They will retire shortly and most players created will come from the correct drafts in the Majors. Better keep an eye on 39-41 players created as FA that will be none RL. Delete will be the way to go I guess, every off-season.