closer records win, without pitching a single pitch.

[Vinny P.]

ok, I've never seen this happen before, but here's the situation:

Top of the 9th, two outs, game scored 6-6, my team is in the field. The very next pitch, one of me relievers is injured as he pitches, and the batter pops it up to end the inning.

However, (one thing I wish was fixed in OOTP 12,) the game decides I need to choose a pitcher, even though I am now at bat. Usually, if a pitcher is injured upon the last out of an inning, that team is able to send two pitchers to the bullpen, and bring one of them into the game. Not OOTP.

So, I choose my closer to place into the pitching spot, because I am forced to choose SOMEONE.

Well, in the bottom of the 9th, I end up winning the game, by scoring a man from second on a base hit. The closer got the win, and never even appeared on the mound. lol.

Never saw this happen yet, out of the hundreds (probably over a thousand) games I have played in one pitch mode. New one on me.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

ok, I've never seen this happen before, but here's the situation:

Top of the 9th, two outs, game scored 6-6, my team is in the field. The very next pitch, one of me relievers is injured as he pitches, and the batter pops it up to end the inning.

However, (one thing I wish was fixed in OOTP 12,) the game decides I need to choose a pitcher, even though I am now at bat. Usually, if a pitcher is injured upon the last out of an inning, that team is able to send two pitchers to the bullpen, and bring one of them into the game. Not OOTP.

So, I choose my closer to place into the pitching spot, because I am forced to choose SOMEONE.

Well, in the bottom of the 9th, I end up winning the game, by scoring a man from second on a base hit. The closer got the win, and never even appeared on the mound. lol.

Never saw this happen yet, out of the hundreds (probably over a thousand) games I have played in one pitch mode. New one on me.

I would think that your closer would have been recorded as having thrown one pitch. So, even though you think the substitution was made after you came up to bat, it's possible that the game is treating it differently. I let the AI manage my team, and in that case, the replacement pitcher is always given that one pitch before the inning is officially over. If the closer is really shown as having thrown zero pitches in the box score, that would be a new one to me.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by SteveP

I would think that your closer would have been recorded as having thrown one pitch. So, even though you think the substitution was made after you came up to bat, it's possible that the game is treating it differently. I let the AI manage my team, and in that case, the replacement pitcher is always given that one pitch before the inning is officially over. If the closer is really shown as having thrown zero pitches in the box score, that would be a new one to me.

Indeed, the bolded is exactly what happened!

I'll post the PBP text log real quick, and show you. (I could take a screeny, but don;t feel like opening photoshop to copy it there, save it to the desktop, upload it to photobucket, just to paste it in this thread. AT least, not atm. lol. I'll just type in the PBP.)

Top of the 9th Indianapolis Indians batting. Pitching for Richmond Brave: LHP A. Rosa. Braves up: 6-5

Batting:

LHB Smith
0-0 Foul
0-1 Foul
0-2 Ball
1-2 HOME RUN (Leader HR, Tied; 6-6)

RHB Jouda
0-0 Strike
0-1 DOUBLE

RHB Harris
0-0 Ball
1-0 Called Strike
1-1 Ball
2-1 Called Strike
2-2 Swinging Strike K (1 out)

RHB Lian
0-0 Called Strike
0-1 DOUBLE (Runner thrown out, trying to stretch into a triple. 2 outs.)

RHB Johnson
0-0 Pop - Fly Out number three, AND Pitcher Rosa Injured on the play.

At which point, OOTP forces me to immediately bring in another pitcher, even though I am heading to bat, and could score a run to end the game. Which is EXACTLY what happened in the bottom of the 9th.

After Rosa was injured on the same play as the last out of the top of the 9th, I am forced to bring someone in. And so, I decided on my closer (wasn't planning on using him at all for this game. I just wanted to make OOTP happy. And OOTP is notorious for immediately replacing an injured pitcher, no matter what! This has happened to me several times, all in different versions.)

But what has never happened to me, and the reason fro creating this thread in the first place is just this particular situation.

Final inning, all tied up, pitcher is injured, and I am forced to bring in a different pitcher, Sydney Chandler, who does not throw a single pitch, because Rosa was injured on the final out!

However, the game must consider Chandler to be "on the mound," for the purposes of the bottom of the 9th, because I was forced to replace Rosa, and I picked Chandler.

And so, I fly out, walk, single, ground out (runner on first moves to second,) and bring in a pinch hitter, who happened to have hit a walk-off single, bringing the runner on second around. I win 7-6. Chandler, who has not pitched one pitch, gets the win, and Rosa the Blown Save.

[Chicagofan76]

odd indeed - MLB official rules concerning saves.

Rule 10.19 to 10.20
118
The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four
of the following conditions:
(a) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
(b) He is not the winning pitcher;
(c) He is credited with at least U of an inning pitched; and
(d) He satisfies one of the following conditions:
(1) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at
least one inning;
(2) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either
on base, or at bat or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on
base or is one of the first two batters he faces); or
(3) He pitches for at least three innings.


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...eballRules.pdf

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

odd indeed - MLB official rules concerning saves.

Rule 10.19 to 10.20
118
The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four
of the following conditions:
(a) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
(b) He is not the winning pitcher;
(c) He is credited with at least U of an inning pitched; and
(d) He satisfies one of the following conditions:
(1) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at
least one inning;
(2) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either
on base, or at bat or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on
base or is one of the first two batters he faces); or
(3) He pitches for at least three innings.


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...eballRules.pdf

Heh, yeah, thanks, but I wasn't talking about a save situation. I was talking about a win situation where the winning pitcher didn't throw one single pitch.

[SteveP]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

Heh, yeah, thanks, but I wasn't talking about a save situation. I was talking about a win situation where the winning pitcher didn't throw one single pitch.

If you have the box score showing that the guy was credited with the win but also zero pitches, that would be worth posting a bug report.

I know this situation can happen when a pitcher gets injured running the bases. The AI automatically put a pitcher in to replace him (on the base). If that teams gets the winning run that half inning, the replacement pitcher will get the win without having pitched. That is probably unavoidable given the way the game works. But I have never see a situation in which a pitcher comes into to replace a pitcher who is injured in the last out of inning, without that replacement pitcher getting credited with one pitch thrown.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

Heh, yeah, thanks, but I wasn't talking about a save situation. I was talking about a win situation where the winning pitcher didn't throw one single pitch.

yeah ur right i did know that for some reason in the 20 mins it took me to find rules i ended up looking for saves.. well the link is there for rules on wins

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by SteveP

If you have the box score showing that the guy was credited with the win but also zero pitches, that would be worth posting a bug report.

I know this situation can happen when a pitcher gets injured running the bases. The AI automatically put a pitcher in to replace him (on the base). If that teams gets the winning run that half inning, the replacement pitcher will get the win without having pitched. That is probably unavoidable given the way the game works. But I have never see a situation in which a pitcher comes into to replace a pitcher who is injured in the last out of inning, without that replacement pitcher getting credited with one pitch thrown.

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

yeah ur right i did know that for some reason in the 20 mins it took me to find rules i ended up looking for saves.. well the link is there for rules on wins

I know how it is supposed to work IRL. But I think Steve is right. This is a bug that probably cannot be fixed, with the way the game is.

I'll post a bug later on either tonight, or sometime tomorrow. I will include screen shots with it as well, and replay the game, taking screenys of the in-game PBP.

I have seen pitchers get injured on the last out of an inning as well. But the way the game is built, OOTP requires you choose a new pitcher, despite your team coming to bat first. First time this has ever happened to have happened in the top of the ninth, with the game tied, and my team scoring the winning run in the bottom of the 9th. Apparently OOTP credits the replacing pitcher with a win, without ever getting a cahnce to throw one pitch.

Would be funny to use a position player to make OOTP happy at the end of the 9th, and be given a win without a single pitch. You go to look at that player's stats, and happen to notice he pitched in one game, with a record of 1-0, but 0.0 innings pitched. So you look at the pitch count in the splits screen, and see 0 pitches/game.

[Vinny P.]

Screw it. Here's a screeny of hte box score. Note the yellow area:

[Vinny P.]

And the game log:

[RchW]

He was the pitcher of record when the game was won. The result is correct internally in OOTP because of the flaw in game play that forces a pitching change.

Correct game play in OOTP would mirror real life where the winning manager would not replace the pitcher. The injured pitcher remains the pitcher of record and gets the win.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by RchW

He was the pitcher of record when the game was won. The result is correct internally in OOTP because of the flaw in game play that forces a pitching change.

Correct game play in OOTP would mirror real life where the winning manager would not replace the pitcher. The injured pitcher remains the pitcher of record and gets the win.

The bold italics is what I figured as well.

I guess this is more of an important "bug" than I realized. lol. Normally I do;t care a whole lot about it (it is rather bothersome in most cases, because what if I go on an offensive tear in that half-inning interval where I am at bat, as opposed to the game situation has not changed. I wouldn't want to put the wrong pitcher in, depending on the game's score.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Vinny P.

The bold italics is what I figured as well.

I guess this is more of an important "bug" than I realized. lol. Normally I do;t care a whole lot about it (it is rather bothersome in most cases, because what if I go on an offensive tear in that half-inning interval where I am at bat, as opposed to the game situation has not changed. I wouldn't want to put the wrong pitcher in, depending on the game's score.

The work around when you're not heading to the bottom of the ninth is to put a reserve bat in as pitcher. He gets one pitch shown and a pitching appearance credited, but no harm done. However try that in the your situation and now you have a non-pitcher getting the win.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by RchW

The work around when you're not heading to the bottom of the ninth is to put a reserve bat in as pitcher. He gets one pitch shown and a pitching appearance credited, but no harm done. However try that in the your situation and now you have a non-pitcher getting the win.

What I normally do, is around the 5th inning or so, I bring in two pitcher in the bullpen. One my ****ty pitcher I use in blow-out situations, whether winning or losing. And another who is a long reliever.

I wait till the 5th, because I want to play as realistically as possible. Normally, I wouldn't bring a pitcher into the bullpen, unless the starter approaches 90 pitches at the beginning of an inning. But I've had too many instances where I have to bring in a top pitcher pitcher in a close situation, only to blow out the other team by scoring 4 or 5 runs in the following half inning. Thereby, wasting the "rest" period of the bullpen ace, and/or giving him credit for an extar game he never should have appeared in to begin with.

And those game credits were beginning to rack up a bit, making the "Games played" column a bit on the artificial side.

I suppose using the workaround, like you suggested using a bench position player could work, and just pretend the "games played" in the pitching screen actually says "0."

But I don't like wasting any of my bats on the bench either. And what if I DO end up having to bring in a position player to really throw a couple of pitches in an emergency situation? Then he would have something like 5 games played, with .2 innings pitched. lol.

[Vinny P.]

I finally submitted a ticket.

It's was shown in OOTP 10, not 11. But I assume it's still in 11, and mostly likely won't get fixed for 12.