Question for people who have played Historical

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by myasu

I wouldn't laugh at all.

I had always started my MLB setup, fictional players leagues in 2011, pretending that 1994 strike had led to the league extinction and the year 2011 had been the first year of the new MLB. (I had to have the excuse for my league having no history)

This is Saturday noon over here in Tokyo, and I am going to set up the similar league as yours today, and give it a try!

Good. If you go back far enough, you'll experience batters with no power and pitchers with no stuff! That will be a mindbender for you!!

[myasu]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Good. If you go back far enough, you'll experience batters with no power and pitchers with no stuff! That will be a mindbender for you!!

I have been watching Ken Burns "Baseball" I bought in iTunes Store for the last couple of weeks, and having a great time.
I am sure I will enjoy this setup now!

[1998 Yankees]

Well, it just turned 1903, and "I" turned 65 the previous fall. After managing for 32 seasons, it's time to retire to Coral Gables, Florida.

My "son," who has been "managing" (that is, the AI has been managing for him) in AA ball in my organization for a few years (he never did get that final promotion to AAA level) is taking over...

The New York Highlanders (soon to be Yankees)!!!

Whaddya think, I wanted to manage Brooklyn forever? I've waited 32 years for THIS franchise to finally appear!

[BTW, I just made a Bruce III who will start managing our Rookie ballclub in a few years. Got to keep grooming my successors, you know.]

[1998 Yankees]

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This was your question and my reply:

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

what setup did u use for your fictional historical league? i think i might try that. this way i would be more inclined to play out the games vs simming a historical real league.

It's all in that thread you started [this thread], "Question for people who have played Historical" particularly post #17.

[Chicagofan76]

ok couldnt find what i was looking for..
1. what did u do to get fictional players when u start an historical league under the setup in teh game?
2. when i choose to delete all real players and schedule a draft in 1871, that part worked but then teh draft came up all over again and then teh game crashed when i tried to pass over the 2nd draqft.
3. step by step please i have a case of idiotitice today.

[StyxNCa]

Deleted real players then used the fill teams with fictional players option.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Deleted real players then used the fill teams with fictional players option.

i did that but then i dumped them into free agent pool and scheduled a draft i think thats what messed things up...think i will do the regular draft then teh delete then fill then redraft.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

i did that but then i dumped them into free agent pool and scheduled a draft i think thats what messed things up...think i will do the regular draft then teh delete then fill then redraft.

Ah. I never tried the draft afterward. I'm too lazy.

[1998 Yankees]

Pretty much, I did this and it worked fine for me:

Basically, I started an historical league in the year 1871, the first year available. Rather than play with historical players, however, I released everybody, deleted all free agents, filled teams with fictional players, then released everybody again and scheduled an inaugural draft.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

1) Of course, this is all historically moot as there was no free agency until the 1970's...

Actually free agency was alive and well in 1871. The NA was a player's association dominated league. All players got 1 year contracts and were free agents after the year. That is why there is a lot of movement on rosters. Trades were rare if any but teams could purchase any player's contract. In the NL the agreements would set rules for purchases of contracts for minor leagues.

The NL had free agency but first implemented the reserve clause. Originally secret it was a list of players who other teams could not sign. The size of that list changed over time to fit the entire roster. Basically from 1871 to 1879 there was full FA. After 1879 there was limited free agency starting with 5 players whom a team could pick that other teams would not sign. In the 1880's free agency eventually died because the entire roster could be reserved claused. Roster Limits Reserve clause - BR Bullpen This article also notes how the reserve clause in the minors was a large reason why the farm system started. MLB teams could hold a lot more guys under contract if they owned minor league teams.

In reality free agency was in place for a couple of years with the rise of the AL. The AL did not respect the reserve clause until the National Agreement. Although players were not free to sign with other NL teams nothing stopped the AL from NL raiding rosters. Which in essence was a sort of free agency. This is hard to replicate though.

I suppose it is not a big deal for your game because you are loosely following history but it might be of interest for someone who wants to follow it closely.

[Chicagofan76]

Is that how the AL was able to get such good players in 1901?

thanx

[Chicagofan76]

if i turn FA off in 1871 but keep arbitration on at 1 yr does that sound good, cant do any more then 1 yr?

[Chicagofan76]

I kleep messing up had another crash and then forgot to delete real players after releasing them into the fa pool and creating fictional players...odd with a AAA i wasnt offered any jobs to start with.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

if i turn FA off in 1871 but keep arbitration on at 1 yr does that sound good, cant do any more then 1 yr?

That is what I have done. The only problem is that players do not become free agents until after 2 years unless you tweak min days for a year service to fit your season. It does the same thing with my Indys. If you use the standard modern 172 days none of your guys will get 1 yr service time in 1 yr since the schedule is shorter. I actually have to tweak this for my current Indy leagues how are running 70 to 100 game seasons so they will be free agents after their first full season. They simply can't 172 days and therefore can't get a yr service time in one year when you have 100 games or less since ML service time only accumulates from opening day to the end of the playoffs.

Also if you really want to enforce one year contracts the only way to do it is edit the contracts each year.

Pirating NL players is how the AL got their good players and the Pittsburgh Pirates got their name. The AL really seemed to doom the reserve clause and NL owner's profit not just from competition but also from player salary standpoint. The Saint Louis Browns signed some of the Cards best players in 1901. The national agreement led to pure economic evil from my standpoint and stabilized a trust but it brought stability back to baseball.

[Dreifort]

Originally Posted by Biggio509

Actually free agency was alive and well in 1871. The NA was a player's association dominated league. All players got 1 year contracts and were free agents after the year. That is why there is a lot of movement on rosters. Trades were rare if any but teams could purchase any player's contract. In the NL the agreements would set rules for purchases of contracts for minor leagues.

The NL had free agency but first implemented the reserve clause. Originally secret it was a list of players who other teams could not sign. The size of that list changed over time to fit the entire roster. Basically from 1871 to 1879 there was full FA. After 1879 there was limited free agency starting with 5 players whom a team could pick that other teams would not sign. In the 1880's free agency eventually died because the entire roster could be reserved claused. Roster Limits Reserve clause - BR Bullpen This article also notes how the reserve clause in the minors was a large reason why the farm system started. MLB teams could hold a lot more guys under contract if they owned minor league teams.

In reality free agency was in place for a couple of years with the rise of the AL. The AL did not respect the reserve clause until the National Agreement. Although players were not free to sign with other NL teams nothing stopped the AL from NL raiding rosters. Which in essence was a sort of free agency. This is hard to replicate though.

I suppose it is not a big deal for your game because you are loosely following history but it might be of interest for someone who wants to follow it closely.

You'll also notice that when large groups of players did change teams there was owner collusion involved. Look at the 1890s Baltimore Orioles, the team's owner also had minority ownership of the Brooklyn ball club... most of the good players where in Brooklyn and the remaining players jumped in 1900 to Brooklyn to stack the 1900 Brooklyn Bridegrooms for the first World Championship victory (after the team folded before the 1900 season).

There was also a hint (or loud scream) of foul play in the late 1950s with the Kansas City A's and New York Yankees. Many accused the A's of being the Yankees farm club (even though KC was a major league AL team). The A's owner had some type of ownership with the Yankees.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Biggio509

Actually free agency was alive and well in 1871. The NA was a player's association dominated league. All players got 1 year contracts and were free agents after the year. That is why there is a lot of movement on rosters. Trades were rare if any but teams could purchase any player's contract. In the NL the agreements would set rules for purchases of contracts for minor leagues.

The NL had free agency but first implemented the reserve clause. Originally secret it was a list of players who other teams could not sign. The size of that list changed over time to fit the entire roster. Basically from 1871 to 1879 there was full FA. After 1879 there was limited free agency starting with 5 players whom a team could pick that other teams would not sign. In the 1880's free agency eventually died because the entire roster could be reserved claused. Roster Limits Reserve clause - BR Bullpen This article also notes how the reserve clause in the minors was a large reason why the farm system started. MLB teams could hold a lot more guys under contract if they owned minor league teams.

In reality free agency was in place for a couple of years with the rise of the AL. The AL did not respect the reserve clause until the National Agreement. Although players were not free to sign with other NL teams nothing stopped the AL from NL raiding rosters. Which in essence was a sort of free agency. This is hard to replicate though.

I suppose it is not a big deal for your game because you are loosely following history but it might be of interest for someone who wants to follow it closely.

Originally Posted by Dreifort

You'll also notice that when large groups of players did change teams there was owner collusion involved. Look at the 1890s Baltimore Orioles, the team's owner also had minority ownership of the Brooklyn ball club... most of the good players where in Brooklyn and the remaining players jumped in 1900 to Brooklyn to stack the 1900 Brooklyn Bridegrooms for the first World Championship victory (after the team folded before the 1900 season).

There was also a hint (or loud scream) of foul play in the late 1950s with the Kansas City A's and New York Yankees. Many accused the A's of being the Yankees farm club (even though KC was a major league AL team). The A's owner had some type of ownership with the Yankees.

A nod of thanks to a couple of historians of the game.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

A nod of thanks to a couple of historians of the game.

I'd give them a nod too but I've had this pain in my neck all day.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I'd give them a nod too but I've had this pain in my neck all day.

Well, as long as you haven't been one!

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Well, as long as you haven't been one!

You know, now that you mention it, is it possible for one to be a pain in the neck to oneself? If so, that could be what happened.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

You know, now that you mention it, is it possible for one to be a pain in the neck to oneself? If so, that could be what happened.

Either that, or trying to figure out this logic got your head all twisted 'round, causing neck discomfort. I recommend several played-out games of OOTPB, during which the head and neck tend to remain stationary along with the rest of your body, aside from one wrist and hand.