2011 49er Off-Season Thread

[Faroo6]

Right now these are the teams with worse records than the Niners. Which ones do you think would draft a QB in the first round?

Panthers - Don't know invested in Claussen last year.
Lions - No. Have Stafford.
Bengals - Maybe. Palmer is getting up there but I don't know in the 1st.
Bills - Wildcard. Fitzpatrick has played very well.
Broncos - No. Tebow and Orton plus Quinn on the roster.
Cardinals - Yes their QB situation is actually worse than ours.

Here's to hoping that Andrew Luck ends up in Red and Gold next year.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Faroo6

Right now these are the teams with worse records than the Niners. Which ones do you think would draft a QB in the first round?

Panthers - Don't know invested in Claussen last year.
Lions - No. Have Stafford.
Bengals - Maybe. Palmer is getting up there but I don't know in the 1st.
Bills - Wildcard. Fitzpatrick has played very well.
Broncos - No. Tebow and Orton plus Quinn on the roster.
Cardinals - Yes their QB situation is actually worse than ours.

Here's to hoping that Andrew Luck ends up in Red and Gold next year.

I just got home from the 49ers-Rams game. It was AWESOME, and I have true sympathy for any 49'ers fan.

Your coach sucks, both your quarterbacks suck, and your team is absolutely heading in the wrong direction.

I say this as a former 49'er fan, having lived as a child near Sacramento. Up until I was 38 years old, they were my team.

[Faroo6]

The silver lining in todays loss was that it will hopefully get Singletary fired. He is horrid when it comes to game management and is routinely out coached. The QB situation was handled horribly this week and most of the season.

[Afino]

As an observer who lives in the Buffalo market, I honestly don't think the Bills would take a QB ahead of the Niners in the draft. I highly doubt, as long as Ralph Wilson is alive, that they want to spend that much money on a QB that will inevitably flop in Buffalo.

As you say as well, they have Fitzpatrick, who is an adequate NFL QB.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by Afino

As an observer who lives in the Buffalo market, I honestly don't think the Bills would take a QB ahead of the Niners in the draft. I highly doubt, as long as Ralph Wilson is alive, that they want to spend that much money on a QB that will inevitably flop in Buffalo.

As you say as well, they have Fitzpatrick, who is an adequate NFL QB.

If Luck was available, I can't see how you wouldn't draft a franchise QB.

Anybody other than luck I say you go with Fitz and draft a D-lineman.

[Faroo6]

Wow that didn't take long.

San Francisco 49ers sack Mike Singletary as coach after elimination - ESPN

Here's to hoping Bill Cower will come help rebuild us to the glory of Walsh and Seifert. Mostly Walsh.

[TribeFanInNC]

There is a lot of talk in the media (both local and national) about the Panthers taking Luck #1. I would be surprised if they did not. Anyone named Smith would be an upgrade over the Panther QB outlook. Clausen is a career backup.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

There is a lot of talk in the media (both local and national) about the Panthers taking Luck #1. I would be surprised if they did not. Anyone named Smith would be an upgrade over the Panther QB outlook. Clausen is a career backup.

I don't see the Panthers giving up on Clausen. They took him in the second freaking round, and many felt that that was too late. Just because he's played poorly in his rookie year, he's being tabbed a career backup? Sort of like how Kurt Warner was a terrible quarterback because he went undrafted, right?

[rudel.dietrich]

Let me show how little I know about the NFL. Does the NFL have a draft lottery or does it go by straight record?
And Luck is just a sophomore, is there any chance he will come back next year for a last shot at a NC?


Edit: The more I think about it, the less I think Luck would leave Stanford. He is only a sophomore, his team is good and has a NC shot next season and most importantly he has to decide if he wants to leave in less than six weeks and there is a strong possibility that there might not even be an NFL next season.
He might be better off staying put for another season

If he was a running back I would feel differently but QBs don't have much to lose by staying an extra year.

[JWay]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

If he was a running back I would feel differently but QBs don't have much to lose by staying an extra year.

They all have a bunch to lose. See most recently. Jake Locker.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by JWay

They all have a bunch to lose. See most recently. Jake Locker.

Well of course. Anyone could break their spine and never play again. But QBs have the least to lose besides maybe kickers. They get an extra year to read defenses and traditionally QB is a position that you can play well into your 30s.

HBs on the other hand have short life spans and if I was giving advice to one I would tell him to leave school and declare ASAP. Their bodies only last so long before they are used up and discarded. That one extra year of pounding in college could mean a few lost million.

Locker would have gone in the first round had he decided to declare, not sure what your comment means.
And recent history shows that you can be a QB and suffer a pretty serious injury, miss pretty significant time, and still cash in. Sam Bradford choose to stay an extra year and ended up missing most of it. He still went #1 overall.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Well of course. Anyone could break their spine and never play again. But QBs have the least to lose besides maybe kickers. They get an extra year to read defenses and traditionally QB is a position that you can play well into your 30s.

HBs on the other hand have short life spans and if I was giving advice to one I would tell him to leave school and declare ASAP. Their bodies only last so long before they are used up and discarded. That one extra year of pounding in college could mean a few lost million.

Locker would have gone in the first round had he decided to declare, not sure what your comment means.
And recent history shows that you can be a QB and suffer a pretty serious injury, miss pretty significant time, and still cash in. Sam Bradford choose to stay an extra year and ended up missing most of it. He still went #1 overall.

Except Locker wasn't injured, he just played less than Top Pick worthy.

[JWay]

Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Except Locker wasn't injured, he just played less than Top Pick worthy.

Right. I seem to remember other examples being around, however I cannot think of them =/

[yankeesrule]

See Leinart, Matt

If he left as a Junior there was a good chance he'd be the #1 pick, or at least top 3. Instead he stuck around, lost to Vince Young in the championship, fell to 10th in the draft. I cant find the salary #'s but i'd guess that senior year cost him at least $15-20 million guaranteed that he's never gonna see.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Let me show how little I know about the NFL. Does the NFL have a draft lottery or does it go by straight record?
And Luck is just a sophomore, is there any chance he will come back next year for a last shot at a NC?


Edit: The more I think about it, the less I think Luck would leave Stanford. He is only a sophomore, his team is good and has a NC shot next season and most importantly he has to decide if he wants to leave in less than six weeks and there is a strong possibility that there might not even be an NFL next season.
He might be better off staying put for another season

If he was a running back I would feel differently but QBs don't have much to lose by staying an extra year.

It goes by straight records. With the Pac-10 becoming the Pac-12 (I think it'll happen next year, if not then disregard this statement), it'll be more competitive, and with the great teams already in the conference, I don't really see Stanford having too much of a chance for the title. It all depends on how old the team is. I personally believe that if Stanford beats Virginia Tech in their bowl game, Luck leaves for sure. With recent examples Leinart and Locker, as well as Sam Bradford going from obvious #1 to nearly not being the top pick, Luck won't take that chance.

[Qwerty75]

Luck is on track to graduate this spring, so if he is drafted high it's pretty certain that he'll go.

[mikev]

Luck not declaring would be a monumental error on his part. It's quite likely that with the next CBA there will be a rookie pay scale, so staying in college could literally cost him 50 million dollars or more.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by mikev

Luck not declaring would be a monumental error on his part. It's quite likely that with the next CBA there will be a rookie pay scale, so staying in college could literally cost him 50 million dollars or more.

This is exactly correct.

If there is ANY chance for ANY player to be drafted in the first round by coming out early, they should strongly consider it. Otherwise, take your 200K, and STFU.

[rudel.dietrich]

Looks like Luck is staying for another year.

Something you don't see every day. Looks like he entered college for...gasp!...an education!

Really I don't think you could call this a good or a bad decision. He could suffer a catastrophic injury and never play again. But odds are small.
I still offer the example of Sam Bradford as someone who missed almost his entire senior season and still went #1 overall.
1/3 of NFL teams are so desperate for a QB that he would still be taken in the top 5 even if he misses most of next season or plays much worse than this season.

He comes from an upper class family so he is not in the desperation situation that a lot of college athletes are in that he needs the money for his family to get them out of poverty.

I admire him for wanting to finish his degree. And I think too that even if he doesn't say it, he thinks Stanford has a NC shot next season which they very well might.

Plus there is always the looming possibility is that there will not be an NFL season.
Prospect have only until Jan 14th to declare for the draft.
What if he declares and then there is no season? He would miss an entire year.
This would be much worse than any injury or poor play.

Look what happened to Maurice Claret and Mike Williams.

I think he made the right decision and even beyond all that, he is doing what he wants and you can't fault him for that.

This does have to be a hard blow for Panthers fans though. They need a QB and this was their chance after a horrible season. I would have liked to see him play for the Panthers.

[Faroo6]

Carson Palmer wants Cincinnati Bengals to trade him or he may retire, sources say - ESPN

Interesting. I wonder if the Niners might make a trade here.