OOTP Baseball Hall of Fame - 2009

Russ · 12-13-2009, 08:05 PM

I've decided to start a baseball hall of fame that we can all vote on.

You may use whatever criteria you like. We will do one year per week. However, this is going to be done in reverse order chronologically. I'll start with the 2009 ballot and we will work backwards from here.

75% induction.
25% to remain on ballot.

Poll forthcoming.

TribeFanInNC · 12-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Interesting idea. I'm interested to see how it turns out.

Oh, and first

Russ · 12-13-2009, 08:30 PM

Hey, if you guys want to defend your choices (like leaving Alomar off

) feel free to do so here.

MorseMoose · 12-13-2009, 08:59 PM

Alomar, Larkin, Martinez and McGriff are the only ones that I considered. When the voting was all said and done; Martinez was the only one I could justify putting into the Hall of Fame.

I took the moto, "Preserving History, Honoring Excellence, Connecting Generations" and what I think the Hall of Fame should honor and disqualified Roberto Alomar. He's a terrible person and should not be celebrated.

Larkin and McGriff are solid players...I'm just not sure they're Hall of Fame quality. If I had a team, I'd pick Edgar Martinez with my first pick over either of these guys. I want to keep standards high and picked just Martinez.

Though, if Larkin/McGriff are elected, I wouldn't be upset. My standards would be dropped a little bit because others are setting the standards. If they're in (more McGriff than Larkin), so are several others that may not deserve it.

On second glance, If I voted 10 times, Larkin would probably be on the ballot 9 of those. I just wasn't feeling him on this vote.

stevebydac · 12-13-2009, 09:07 PM

Where is this OOTP BHOF? What hours is it open? Is there a souvenir shop where I can get a little OOTP shot glass or a miniature HOF plaque? Is Pete Rose selling autographs around the corner?

jbergey22 · 12-13-2009, 09:29 PM

Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar were no brainers. As much as I wanted to put Edgar in I dont feel the HOF is a place for a career DH. I also considered Mcgriff until I thought about it and realized he probably wasnt even one of the top 5 first basemen in the league most of the years he played.

TribeFanInNC · 12-14-2009, 08:57 AM

I wondered if this would happen. The OOTP HoF will have roughly 3 players in it because we can't agree on anything. Most of the time we can't even agree to diagree.

Some days I like Martinez and some days I don't. I didn't vote for him here, but he was pretty dangerous in his prime. 6 straight seasons with OPS over .993 and 7 straight with OPS+ over 150. I guess my reservation is 2200 hits for a primary DH. If he could have just started his career a little earlier (only 90 games before he was 27) and gotten to 2600 or 2700 I probably wouldn't have a problem.

TribeFanInNC · 12-14-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I took the moto, "Preserving History, Honoring Excellence, Connecting Generations" and what I think the Hall of Fame should honor and disqualified Roberto Alomar. He's a terrible person and should not be celebrated.

Really? The Baseball Hall of Fame is littered with terrible people. Ted Williams was as mean and arrogant as they come. We've all heard the exploits of guys like Ruth and Cobb - same thing. Mantle was a drunk. Alomar was certainly not on that level of being terrible.

jaxmagicman · 12-14-2009, 09:09 AM

I don't see Mark McGwire on the list.

TribeFanInNC · 12-14-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I don't see Mark McGwire on the list.

I think he is in the 2008 class.

jaxmagicman · 12-14-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I think he is in the 2008 class.

He didn't make it last year, so he would be on this list too. (Just like Fred McGriff).

Russ · 12-14-2009, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

He didn't make it last year, so he would be on this list too. (Just like Fred McGriff).

This is McGriff's first year. I'm going reverse chronologically so McGwire will be on the 08 ballot.

jbergey22 · 12-14-2009, 02:37 PM

Are some people only voting for 1 player? How is Barry Larkin not at atleast 75 percent yet?

IMO everyone has a good case against putting them in except Barry Larkin.

koohead · 12-14-2009, 03:48 PM

Cool idea. Looking forward to following this and seeing who ends up in the OOTP HOF.

One idea that we may want to try for another poll...posting just career stats and position...eliminating name bias.

MorseMoose · 12-14-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Really? The Baseball Hall of Fame is littered with terrible people. Ted Williams was as mean and arrogant as they come. We've all heard the exploits of guys like Ruth and Cobb - same thing. Mantle was a drunk. Alomar was certainly not on that level of being terrible.

The OOTP Baseball Hall of Fame doesn't have anybody in it.

MorseMoose · 12-14-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Are some people only voting for 1 player? How is Barry Larkin not at atleast 75 percent yet?

IMO everyone has a good case against putting them in except Barry Larkin.

I don't think the fact that Edgar Martinez was a DH is a case against. Where does it say that a DH can't be in the Hall of Fame?

Larkin doesn't stand out as being a for sure HOF. Sure, he had a good career. Sure, he had same very good seasons. But I just don't think of him in the HOF. He may have been fun to watch, but I don't think of him as being the best SS ever to play the game - or even in the last 20 years. Good, sure. But not HOF caliber in my book.

Like I said, I wouldn't be upset if he got in. My standards would change if he gets in, and I think they'd be lower because of it. To each his own, though.

jbergey22 · 12-14-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I don't think the fact that Edgar Martinez was a DH is a case against. Where does it say that a DH can't be in the Hall of Fame?

Larkin doesn't stand out as being a for sure HOF. Sure, he had a good career. Sure, he had same very good seasons. But I just don't think of him in the HOF. He may have been fun to watch, but I don't think of him as being the best SS ever to play the game - or even in the last 20 years. Good, sure. But not HOF caliber in my book.

Like I said, I wouldn't be upset if he got in. My standards would change if he gets in, and I think they'd be lower because of it. To each his own, though.

Well of course he wasnt the best ever SS to ever play the game. If that is your criteria your HOF will consist of 9/10 players. He was the best SS in the NL and one of the top 3 in MLB pretty much every year he played. His overall numbers may look weak compared to some of todays SS but you may have forgotten that he along with Ripken were the transition into todays SS.

He won the silver slugger award 9 times, he was a 12 time all star, and won 3 gold gloves, in addition to 1 MVP.

Like you dont think top 3 SS's should be in the Hall of Fame I dont feel players that dont play defense should be in the HOF. Its based on opinion. If certain other players got in Id open the Hall of Fame for Edgar as it is there are players right now Id have in ahead of Edgar( Don Mattingly, Bert Blyleven).

For comparison Edgar made the All Star game 7 times, , won 5 silver slugger awards and never won the MVP.

Edgar was a great hitter, one of the best right handed hitters to ever play the game while Larkin was a great player.

Compared to what is in the Hall of Fame, Larkin is a no brainer.

koohead · 12-14-2009, 05:48 PM

MorseMoose · 12-14-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Fame I dont feel players that dont play defense should be in the HOF. Its based on opinion.

Exactly.

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If certain other players got in Id open the Hall of Fame for Edgar as it is there are players right now Id have in ahead of Edgar( Don Mattingly, Bert Blyleven).

But right now, Mattingly and Blyleven are years from being eligible. They, if I'm not mistaken, wouldn't have even ended their careers yet.

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Compared to what is in the Hall of Fame, Larkin is a no brainer.

Nothing is in the Hall of Fame

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jdettbarn · 12-15-2009, 11:06 AM

Here's a nice graphical look at the HOF ballot:
The 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot,Graphically - Beyond the Box Score

And another that includes McGriff (didn't see him on first link)
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/200...0-hall-of-fame

WAR, best to worst seasons...

View Poll Results: Hall of Fame
Roberto Alomar	26	76.47%
Kevin Appier	0	0%
Ellis Burks	0	0%
Andrés Galarraga	2	5.88%
Pat Hentgen	0	0%
Mike Jackson	0	0%
Eric Karros	0	0%
Ray Lankford	1	2.94%
Barry Larkin	27	79.41%
Edgar Martinez	21	61.76%
Fred McGriff	9	26.47%
Shane Reynolds	0	0%
David Segui	0	0%
Robin Ventura	2	5.88%
Todd Zeile	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

12-13-2009, 08:05 PM	#1
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	OOTP Baseball Hall of Fame - 2009 I've decided to start a baseball hall of fame that we can all vote on. You may use whatever criteria you like. We will do one year per week. However, this is going to be done in reverse order chronologically. I'll start with the 2009 ballot and we will work backwards from here. 75% induction. 25% to remain on ballot. Poll forthcoming. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

12-13-2009, 08:30 PM	#3
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Hey, if you guys want to defend your choices (like leaving Alomar off ) feel free to do so here. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

12-13-2009, 08:59 PM	#4
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Alomar, Larkin, Martinez and McGriff are the only ones that I considered. When the voting was all said and done; Martinez was the only one I could justify putting into the Hall of Fame. I took the moto, "Preserving History, Honoring Excellence, Connecting Generations" and what I think the Hall of Fame should honor and disqualified Roberto Alomar. He's a terrible person and should not be celebrated. Larkin and McGriff are solid players...I'm just not sure they're Hall of Fame quality. If I had a team, I'd pick Edgar Martinez with my first pick over either of these guys. I want to keep standards high and picked just Martinez. Though, if Larkin/McGriff are elected, I wouldn't be upset. My standards would be dropped a little bit because others are setting the standards. If they're in (more McGriff than Larkin), so are several others that may not deserve it. On second glance, If I voted 10 times, Larkin would probably be on the ballot 9 of those. I just wasn't feeling him on this vote. Last edited by MorseMoose; 12-13-2009 at 09:02 PM.

12-13-2009, 09:07 PM	#5
stevebydac All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In a fictional baseball world Posts: 843	Where is this OOTP BHOF? What hours is it open? Is there a souvenir shop where I can get a little OOTP shot glass or a miniature HOF plaque? Is Pete Rose selling autographs around the corner? __________________

12-13-2009, 08:17 PM	#2
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Interesting idea. I'm interested to see how it turns out. Oh, and first

12-13-2009, 09:29 PM	#6
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar were no brainers. As much as I wanted to put Edgar in I dont feel the HOF is a place for a career DH. I also considered Mcgriff until I thought about it and realized he probably wasnt even one of the top 5 first basemen in the league most of the years he played.

12-14-2009, 08:57 AM	#7
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	I wondered if this would happen. The OOTP HoF will have roughly 3 players in it because we can't agree on anything. Most of the time we can't even agree to diagree. Some days I like Martinez and some days I don't. I didn't vote for him here, but he was pretty dangerous in his prime. 6 straight seasons with OPS over .993 and 7 straight with OPS+ over 150. I guess my reservation is 2200 hits for a primary DH. If he could have just started his career a little earlier (only 90 games before he was 27) and gotten to 2600 or 2700 I probably wouldn't have a problem.

12-14-2009, 09:09 AM	#9
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	I don't see Mark McGwire on the list. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

12-14-2009, 02:37 PM	#13
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Are some people only voting for 1 player? How is Barry Larkin not at atleast 75 percent yet? IMO everyone has a good case against putting them in except Barry Larkin.

12-14-2009, 03:48 PM	#14
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	Cool idea. Looking forward to following this and seeing who ends up in the OOTP HOF. One idea that we may want to try for another poll...posting just career stats and position...eliminating name bias. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-14-2009, 05:48 PM	#18
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,230	__________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

12-15-2009, 11:06 AM	#20
jdettbarn All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 635	Here's a nice graphical look at the HOF ballot: The 2010 Hall of Fame Ballot,Graphically - Beyond the Box Score And another that includes McGriff (didn't see him on first link) http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/200...0-hall-of-fame WAR, best to worst seasons... __________________ NPBL Idaho Spuds GM Former Federal Baseball League and JOBL Commish (2002 - 2011) Last edited by jdettbarn; 12-15-2009 at 11:09 AM.