Rosters - I do not get it???

[dangarion]

Rasmus potential is
15
14
14
11
12

Which means he doesn't suck in the prospect ratings.

[Sexy_Rexy_The_QB]

Colby is also a notoriously slow starter, so I suppose there is a little more than just pure numbers involved there too. Maybe not the best example to anyone that doesnt follow the cardinals. I Apologise.

But am I wrong about the second part Markus? didn't you mention in the thread about rosters before the release that 30-40 ratings are average?
Would you be willing to break it down more on what your opinion would be?

What ratings ranges would be expected for a bench player? 20-30s?
Average MLB starter 30-40?
Good MLB starter 50+
MLB Superstar 70+

Does that seem like a fair template?

Because if so, then the majority of players are grossly underated in the rosters.

Right now it seems the key is to get everyone on the same page, figure out the ratings system a little better.. and go from there.

Also I'd like to see the roster makers take the few seconds to look at the minor league report... its a huge tool that I'm using in cleaning up the rosters because it allows me to go back and up the ratings a little bit on someone after I've done them, in order to make sure they capable of playing at the level they should be at... This is the problem in the rosters now with no one at AAA.. almost no one in the set is good enough to play in AAA and thats just not right

[potatoman]

Originally Posted by dangarion

But Markus stats aren't the only thing. This guy is a highly regarded prospect regardless of what he's done in 1/3 of a season.

He is a highly rated prospect but his actual ratings make him "Possibly ready for AAA", which in real life, his stats show that maybe he shouldn't be in AAA yet... I think for that example, the actual ratings are right on.

Many prospects go into spring training with a chance to play in the big leagues. Managers find out that they are not ready and send them down. You can't possibly expect OOTP to make decisions such as what real GMs/Managers decide in real life because in there are so many different opinions about how a team should be run and different personality managers etc etc.

[westendcards]

The complaint is not about disagreeing with a rating - the complaint is that there are a bunch of players with NO ratings at all - Everything is zero's - And some that are rated are no where NEAR what they should be - Why have one of the slowest players in real life have a high steal rating or someone who averages 6 hr's a year in the minor leagues have one of the highest power reatings? It does not make any sense. It is like someone just used random numbers on a good amount of the minor leaguers, not to mention the issue with them being at the wrong level, the uniform numbers not correct, contracts totally false for almost every player including major leaguers, etc etc.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Sexy_Rexy_The_QB

The biggest issue is well over 2/3s of the minor leaguers are in this set in name only and have nowhere near their correct ratings, its not even close enough to say its is a diffence in opinion. Colby Rasmus is a prime example. In real life he went to spring training with a chance to make the big league club.. in the rosters he gets a possibly ready for AAA when you look at the system report.

I saw a post by Markus leading up to the release that has me thinking that roster makers are not on the same page as he is with the ratings. there are too many really really low rated guys in both the bigs and minors

I agree.

The problem for rosters makers is the way the ratings are.. It will be nice if they can enter the real stats into ootp and it shoots out the correct player ratings. Right now its backwards.

Also what the point of just puting names in a real roster with no ratings. That makes no sense. It's better just to leave the names out, if your not going to put a rating for them.

Lastly its just opinions what the rating should be by the roster maker with the current system. Hopefully one day they wil be able to enter stats into ootp and the game will give them the correct ratings to use.

[Sexy_Rexy_The_QB]

basically, what I see is that we need to get a community project going to basically do an "unfaking" like the EHM community used to do. Because sadly, most of the minor leaguers are really fake players because all that is correct is their names if anyone is interested in helping with this, I'm game as I've already begun work on the PCL today

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by westendcards

The complaint is not about disagreeing with a rating - the complaint is that there are a bunch of players with NO ratings at all - Everything is zero's - And some that are rated are no where NEAR what they should be - Why have one of the slowest players in real life have a high steal rating or someone who averages 6 hr's a year in the minor leagues have one of the highest power reatings? It does not make any sense. It is like someone just used random numbers on a good amount of the minor leaguers, not to mention the issue with them being at the wrong level, the uniform numbers not correct, contracts totally false for almost every player including major leaguers, etc etc.

Ooooh, I didn't realize there were NO ratings. yikes.

With that aside, I wouldn't expect any game to have realistic rookie/a level ratings for anyone. AAA, yes, and AA maybe the key prospects, but I think we should all agree that it would be a crapshoot for anyone in rookie/ low level minors to follow some expected path in an expected time frame.

[dangarion]

Originally Posted by westendcards

The complaint is not about disagreeing with a rating - the complaint is that there are a bunch of players with NO ratings at all - Everything is zero's - And some that are rated are no where NEAR what they should be - Why have one of the slowest players in real life have a high steal rating or someone who averages 6 hr's a year in the minor leagues have one of the highest power reatings? It does not make any sense. It is like someone just used random numbers on a good amount of the minor leaguers, not to mention the issue with them being at the wrong level, the uniform numbers not correct, contracts totally false for almost every player including major leaguers, etc etc.

I'd love to see examples of the ZERO ratings.

As for uniform numbers, They are random in the whole game, it sucks but that is the way it is. I'm more concerned that people worked on this file and that players loyal, leadership and greed ratings are random. I mean it's great there is a MLB file and I'm gracious for it, but how much work was actually done on it?

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Sexy_Rexy_The_QB

basically, what I see is that we need to get a community project going to basically do an "unfaking" like the EHM community used to do. Because sadly, most of the minor leaguers are really fake players because all that is correct is their names if anyone is interested in helping with this, I'm game as I've already begun work on the PCL today

This is a key point. Real rosters on a scale encompassing all of professional baseball requires A LOT more than one person. I could never undertake a job like that, spending all kinds of time and energy into making a roster set that get obliterated by the AI after the first week or two of simming. (my reason for going fictional)

In my opinion, just having the names there is a huge step. If someone wants to play or has an interest inthe rookie leagues, perhaps they could contribute their ratings for those players.

[Sexy_Rexy_The_QB]

I cant remember who the guy was now, but one of the Tucson Sidewinders pitchers I just edited was 1-1-1 in control in commish mode. No way somone that bad ever gets drafted much less works his way up to AAA

[dangarion]

I can confirm there are a number of players in the MLB file that have no ratings or potential ratings in the following catagories.

GAP, SPEED, STEAL, STUFF, MOVE, CONTROL, GB%,

[Sexy_Rexy_The_QB]

Originally Posted by silvam14

This is a key point. Real rosters on a scale encompassing all of professional baseball requires A LOT more than one person. I could never undertake a job like that, spending all kinds of time and energy into making a roster set that get obliterated by the AI after the first week or two of simming.

In my opinion, just having the names there is a huge step. If someone wants to play or has an interest inthe rookie leagues, perhaps they could contribute their ratings for those players.

The AI destroys the rosters so badly right now because of the way they are made... when you have basically no one in the set that the AI sees as deserving to be in AAA something is wrong... I think I might be on to somehitng that might limit the destruction done by the AI... but if I end up having to do it all myself, I'm honestly not going to know for a couple months because doing every player is gonna suck

[dangarion]

Just the tip of the iceberg.

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</td><td class="s1_l">1B</td><td class="s1_l">38</td><td class="s1_l">Shawn Wooten</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">C</td><td class="s2_l">40</td><td class="s2_l">Vance Wilson</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">3B</td><td class="s1_l">28</td><td class="s1_l">Andy Tracy</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">3B</td><td class="s2_l">70</td><td class="s2_l">Terry Tiffee</td><td class="s2_l">S</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">2B</td><td class="s1_l">29</td><td class="s1_l">Joe Thurston</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">6</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">CF</td><td class="s2_l">44</td><td class="s2_l">Reggie Taylor</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">3B</td><td class="s1_l">33</td><td class="s1_l">Fernando Tatis</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">3B</td><td class="s2_l">3</td><td class="s2_l">Bradley Suttle</td><td class="s2_l">S</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">4</td><td class="s2_l">2</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">18</td><td class="s2_l">12</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">C</td><td class="s1_l">83</td><td class="s1_l">Dane Sardinha</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">2B</td><td class="s2_l">10</td><td class="s2_l">Danny Sandoval</td><td class="s2_l">S</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">2B</td><td class="s1_l">56</td><td class="s1_l">Angel Sanchez</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">2B</td><td class="s2_l">84</td><td class="s2_l">Oscar Salazar</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">2B</td><td class="s1_l">28</td><td class="s1_l">Issmael Salas</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">6</td><td class="s1_l">8</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">CF</td><td class="s2_l">79</td><td class="s2_l">Wilkin Ruan</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">LF</td><td class="s1_l">49</td><td class="s1_l">John Rodriguez</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">1B</td><td class="s2_l">48</td><td class="s2_l">Chris Richard</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CF</td><td class="s1_l">50</td><td class="s1_l">Jason Repko</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">2B</td><td class="s2_l">83</td><td class="s2_l">Tomas Perez</td><td class="s2_l">S</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">4</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">4</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">4</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">RF</td><td class="s1_l">35</td><td class="s1_l">Val Pascucci</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">SS</td><td class="s2_l">55</td><td class="s2_l">Luis Ordaz</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">3B</td><td class="s1_l">51</td><td class="s1_l">Marshall McDougall</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">5</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">4</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">2B</td><td class="s2_l">64</td><td class="s2_l">Dave Matranga</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">5</td><td class="s2_l">1</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td></tr></tbody></table>

[dangarion]

5 Outfielders have no OF abilities for fielding. I just don't understand how this type of stuff isn't caught. It's sort of funny and I don't really care, but I'd love to have been able to help the beta team catch stupid little things like this, it's something I'm good at.

<table class="lpo" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="h2_l">Inf</td><td class="h2_l">POS</td><td class="h2_l">#</td><td class="h2_l">Name</td><td class="h2_l">B</td><td class="h2_l">T</td><td class="h2_l">IF RNG</td><td class="h2_l">IF ARM</td><td class="h2_l">TDP</td><td class="h2_l">IF ERR</td><td class="h2_l">OF RNG</td><td class="h2_l">OF ARM</td><td class="h2_l">OF ERR</td><td class="h2_l">C ARM</td><td class="h2_l">C ABI</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CF</td><td class="s1_l">44</td><td class="s1_l">Reggie Taylor</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">13</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">CF</td><td class="s2_l">79</td><td class="s2_l">Wilkin Ruan</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">20</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CF</td><td class="s1_l">50</td><td class="s1_l">Jason Repko</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">13</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">CF</td><td class="s2_l">43</td><td class="s2_l">Prentice Redman</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">13</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CF</td><td class="s1_l">95</td><td class="s1_l">Gabe Kapler</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">11</td></tr></tbody></table>

[dangarion]

Pitchers with no fielding ability. Funny that Mike Hampton (hasn't he won gold gloves?) has no ratings.

<table class="lpo" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="h2_l">Inf</td><td class="h2_l">POS</td><td class="h2_l">#</td><td class="h2_l">Name</td><td class="h2_l">B</td><td class="h2_l">T</td><td class="h2_l">IF RNG</td><td class="h2_l">IF ARM</td><td class="h2_l">TDP</td><td class="h2_l">IF ERR</td><td class="h2_l">OF RNG</td><td class="h2_l">OF ARM</td><td class="h2_l">OF ERR</td><td class="h2_l">C ARM</td><td class="h2_l">C ABI</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">SP</td><td class="s1_l">40</td><td class="s1_l">Beltran Perez</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">8</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">CL</td><td class="s2_l">47</td><td class="s2_l">David Pauley</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">18</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CL</td><td class="s1_l">72</td><td class="s1_l">Julio Manon</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">10</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">57</td><td class="s2_l">Runelvys Hernandez</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">9</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">Ben Hendrickson</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">8</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">76</td><td class="s2_l">Mike Hampton</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">14</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CL</td><td class="s1_l">51</td><td class="s1_l">Josh Hall</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">19</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">10</td><td class="s2_l">Nelson Figueroa</td><td class="s2_l">S</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">14</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">49</td><td class="s1_l">Casey Daigle</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">12</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">36</td><td class="s2_l">Roman Colon</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">17</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">30</td><td class="s1_l">Matt Childers</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">17</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">31</td><td class="s2_l">Eude Brito</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">20</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">SP</td><td class="s1_l">34</td><td class="s1_l">Kris Benson</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">10</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">53</td><td class="s2_l">Abe Alvarez</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">8</td></tr></tbody></table>

[dangarion]

Pitchers with no pitching abilities.

<table class="lpo" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="h2_l">Inf</td><td class="h2_l">POS</td><td class="h2_l">#</td><td class="h2_l">Name</td><td class="h2_l">B</td><td class="h2_l">T</td><td class="h2_l">OVR</td><td class="h2_l">STU</td><td class="h2_l">MOV</td><td class="h2_l">CON</td><td class="h2_l">STU vL</td><td class="h2_l">STU vR</td><td class="h2">VELO</td><td class="h2_l">END</td><td class="h2">G/F</td><td class="h2_l">HLD</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">CL</td><td class="s1_l">47</td><td class="s1_l">David Pauley</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">0 %</td><td class="s1_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">57</td><td class="s2_l">Runelvys Hernandez</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">0 %</td><td class="s2_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">1</td><td class="s1_l">Ben Hendrickson</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">0 %</td><td class="s1_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">76</td><td class="s2_l">Mike Hampton</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">L</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">0 %</td><td class="s2_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">10</td><td class="s1_l">Nelson Figueroa</td><td class="s1_l">S</td><td class="s1_l">R</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">0 %</td><td class="s1_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s2_l">
</td><td class="s2_l">MR</td><td class="s2_l">49</td><td class="s2_l">Casey Daigle</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">R</td><td class="s2_l">1 star</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s2_l">-</td><td class="s2">0 %</td><td class="s2_l">11</td></tr><tr><td class="s1_l">
</td><td class="s1_l">MR</td><td class="s1_l">53</td><td class="s1_l">Abe Alvarez</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">L</td><td class="s1_l">1 star</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">< 75 Mph</td><td class="s1_l">-</td><td class="s1">0 %</td><td class="s1_l">11</td></tr></tbody></table>

[jbmagic]

Just curious, you guys seeing this in the quick start major.lg file? or on the main menu that shows 2008 MLB roster?

I wonder if there any difference between the two?

It looks like I going to play a ficitional league in a MLB setup with real team names and minors.

[kagnew35]

Seems to me the best way to correct this is to extablish a league with All gm's as commishes, allowing each to do his team on edits, export and have a better set. Gm;s selected should have experience in the game. any serious volunteers?

[Sexy_Rexy_The_QB]

I'm a newb, but willing to do My cardinals and the Dbacks since I already started them...
We'd just have to agree on how to rate

[dangarion]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Just curious, you guys seeing this in the quick start major.lg file? or on the main menu that shows 2008 MLB roster?

I wonder if there any difference between the two?

It looks like I going to play a ficitional league in a MLB setup with real team names and minors.

I'm using the MLB option from the main menu, not the quick start.