Did Rogers Cheat - Page 2

JDOldSchool · 10-23-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

There was no request for an inspection. They speculated that it was dirt. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that LaRussa would have had to request an inspection, but it had already been removed from Rogers' hand before that could happen.

Since Tony LaRussa is the biggest whiner in sports about other teams cheating, if there was even a .0000001% chance in his mind that it was a foreign substance he would've been all over that.

Gastric ReFlux · 10-23-2006, 11:08 AM

He must have switched to the "clear" after the first inning.

mikev · 10-23-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Since Tony LaRussa is the biggest whiner in sports about other teams cheating, if there was even a .0000001% chance in his mind that it was a foreign substance he would've been all over that.

I present to you Mike Scoscia.

1998 Yankees · 10-23-2006, 11:33 AM

Agree with Dad, voted for grass stain. If he had tanked with clean hands, conviction based on circumstantial evidence. I'd like to test him for other possibilities, however. Where the heck did this guy come from?

andymac · 10-23-2006, 11:46 AM

Looked like mud to me.

CMH · 10-23-2006, 12:04 PM

He even has some on his face.

I've seen a lot of pitchers, myself included, that rub their pitching hand against the dirt on the pitching mound or bullpen to get a better grip on the ball. From what I know, there's no rule against that.

Seeing some of it on his face has me believe that he did just that and then accidentally wiped some on his face with his hand maybe to brush away sweat or an itch.

dudeosu · 10-23-2006, 12:34 PM

I wouldn't put it past Rogers to try and get some kind of edge, and it's fishy because it was also apparently there in another game.

But since he seemed to pitch just fine afterwards, not sure if there's much of a case.

ukhotstove · 10-23-2006, 01:01 PM

Obvious he wipes with that hand and didn't use enough toilet paper, this is a clear advert for kids to wash their hands before they leave the bathroom.

Cooleyvol · 10-23-2006, 01:05 PM

That picture shows it on his thumb as well. Most likely on fingertips by the way he's holding his hand in that picture.

It doesnt appear to be mud to me, but if it had been something major and the Cards were aware, they'd have had it checked.

mikev · 10-23-2006, 01:10 PM

More information: On the left, ALCS Game 3. On the right, World Series last night.

The Professor · 10-23-2006, 01:19 PM

It is all very curious.

I'm not sure if it looks like dirt or not. And the fact that it is there in the same spot in different games stretching back to Rogers' run of dominance is intriguing.

He says nobody said anything. The umps said something different. Why didn't the Cardinals say something in the top of the inning before he could wash it off? Why didn't the umps inspect it closely. Of course, Rogers was dominating after the first inning, so did it really matter?

As far as the location of the junk. It's in a rather obvious spot if it wasn't just dirt. Seems rather blatant. At the same time, it is a perfect location if you want to rub up with your other fingers while "blowing" into the hand, then rub the thumb on those fingers. So, a) the location doesn't vindicate him and b)but if he was doing something illegal, it seems rather ballsy to put it there.

I really don't care. The Cards didn't hit him after the stuff was "washed" off, and they had their shot in the ninth. It didn't "cost" them the game.

Still, it is really interesting because I'm not sure I buy the 'dirt' story and wouldn't put it beyond Rogers (or any other pitcher - heck, I suspect subtle doctoring is still more rampant than we imagine) to do something tricky.

mikev · 10-23-2006, 01:21 PM

Of course doctoring the ball is more rampant than we think.

The thing is, when it's actually found out, the pitcher is "wily" and "trying to get an edge" and just swept under the rug.

When hitter uses a corked bat, or too much pine tar, or PEDs, etc, they're the devil incarnate.

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Obvious he wipes with that hand and didn't use enough toilet paper, this is a clear advert for kids to wash their hands before they leave the bathroom.

WAFFLE!!!

And ewww...

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Originally Posted by mikev

More information: On the left, ALCS Game 3. On the right, World Series last night.

Really? Maybe he just never washes his hands. lol

Good find. This sums it up for me. I predict he doesn't have this smudge in his next game and the Cardinals knock him out of the game early.

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Originally Posted by The Professor

It is all very curious.

I'm not sure if it looks like dirt or not. And the fact that it is there in the same spot in different games stretching back to Rogers' run of dominance is intriguing.

He says nobody said anything. The umps said something different. Why didn't the Cardinals say something in the top of the inning before he could wash it off? Why didn't the umps inspect it closely. Of course, Rogers was dominating after the first inning, so did it really matter?

As far as the location of the junk. It's in a rather obvious spot if it wasn't just dirt. Seems rather blatant. At the same time, it is a perfect location if you want to rub up with your other fingers while "blowing" into the hand, then rub the thumb on those fingers. So, a) the location doesn't vindicate him and b)but if he was doing something illegal, it seems rather ballsy to put it there.

I really don't care. The Cards didn't hit him after the stuff was "washed" off, and they had their shot in the ninth. It didn't "cost" them the game.

Still, it is really interesting because I'm not sure I buy the 'dirt' story and wouldn't put it beyond Rogers (or any other pitcher - heck, I suspect subtle doctoring is still more rampant than we imagine) to do something tricky.

Good post.

I don't buy the "dirt" theory either. Especially, with the suspicious photo from the ALCS game up there. Too weird to just be coincidence.

<Pion> · 10-23-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

The thing is, when it's actually found out, the pitcher is "wily" and "trying to get an edge" and just swept under the rug.

Nah, can't agree with that. I can remember pitchers caught cheating just as much as hitters caught cheating. Didn't seem to me like they got a free pass.

Sandy K · 10-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Some guys really know how to **** up a team's miracle season.

phenom · 10-23-2006, 01:40 PM

Who's to say he hasn't had this "smudge" problem all season? Try a google search and see if it's been there before. I'd be curious myself.

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy K

Some guys really know how to **** up a team's miracle season.

I don't think it's as serious as all that.

Rogers hasn't ruined the Tigers fine season yet.

Sandy K · 10-23-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

I don't think it's as serious as all that.

Rogers hasn't ruined the Tigers fine season yet.

It's already been tainted IMHO. If the Tigers win the World Series there will always be doubt considering that their all-of-a-sudden ace had foreign material on his hand.

darkhorse · 10-23-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy K

If the Tigers win the World Series there will always be doubt considering that their all-of-a-sudden ace had foreign material on his hand.

Is this the same guy that has won 207 games and counting. IIRC, that's about forty more wins than that Braun fellow.

phenom · 10-23-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

Who's to say he hasn't had this "smudge" problem all season? Try a google search and see if it's been there before. I'd be curious myself.

You be the judge.

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fb...68695_8353.jpg

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/images/...4/Edk5FZnQ.jpg

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photo...img9541537.jpg

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10-23-2006, 01:10 PM	#30
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10-23-2006, 01:19 PM	#31
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	It is all very curious. I'm not sure if it looks like dirt or not. And the fact that it is there in the same spot in different games stretching back to Rogers' run of dominance is intriguing. He says nobody said anything. The umps said something different. Why didn't the Cardinals say something in the top of the inning before he could wash it off? Why didn't the umps inspect it closely. Of course, Rogers was dominating after the first inning, so did it really matter? As far as the location of the junk. It's in a rather obvious spot if it wasn't just dirt. Seems rather blatant. At the same time, it is a perfect location if you want to rub up with your other fingers while "blowing" into the hand, then rub the thumb on those fingers. So, a) the location doesn't vindicate him and b)but if he was doing something illegal, it seems rather ballsy to put it there. I really don't care. The Cards didn't hit him after the stuff was "washed" off, and they had their shot in the ninth. It didn't "cost" them the game. Still, it is really interesting because I'm not sure I buy the 'dirt' story and wouldn't put it beyond Rogers (or any other pitcher - heck, I suspect subtle doctoring is still more rampant than we imagine) to do something tricky. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

10-23-2006, 11:08 AM	#22
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	He must have switched to the "clear" after the first inning.

10-23-2006, 11:33 AM	#24
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Agree with Dad, voted for grass stain. If he had tanked with clean hands, conviction based on circumstantial evidence. I'd like to test him for other possibilities, however. Where the heck did this guy come from?

10-23-2006, 12:04 PM	#26
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	He even has some on his face. I've seen a lot of pitchers, myself included, that rub their pitching hand against the dirt on the pitching mound or bullpen to get a better grip on the ball. From what I know, there's no rule against that. Seeing some of it on his face has me believe that he did just that and then accidentally wiped some on his face with his hand maybe to brush away sweat or an itch.

10-23-2006, 12:34 PM	#27
dudeosu Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 373	I wouldn't put it past Rogers to try and get some kind of edge, and it's fishy because it was also apparently there in another game. But since he seemed to pitch just fine afterwards, not sure if there's much of a case.

10-23-2006, 01:05 PM	#29
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	That picture shows it on his thumb as well. Most likely on fingertips by the way he's holding his hand in that picture. It doesnt appear to be mud to me, but if it had been something major and the Cards were aware, they'd have had it checked.

10-23-2006, 01:21 PM	#32
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Of course doctoring the ball is more rampant than we think. The thing is, when it's actually found out, the pitcher is "wily" and "trying to get an edge" and just swept under the rug. When hitter uses a corked bat, or too much pine tar, or PEDs, etc, they're the devil incarnate. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

10-23-2006, 01:37 PM	#35
Sandy K Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 89	Some guys really know how to **** up a team's miracle season.

10-23-2006, 01:40 PM	#36
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,763	Who's to say he hasn't had this "smudge" problem all season? Try a google search and see if it's been there before. I'd be curious myself. __________________ reported