Draft pick compensation for FA's is gone now.

mikev · 10-21-2006, 03:51 PM

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...083133,00.html

The new deal won’t have any major changes from the past, but there were be several subtle alterations that will have a long-term benefit. The two sides have agreed to eliminate draft choice compensation for teams losing free agents, and they will have a slotting system for bonus money paid to June draft choices.

This seriously puts a damper in the ablility of small market teams to stay competitive IMO. The A's have built their team this way. I really don't see how this benefits any teams that have small budgets.

JDOldSchool · 10-21-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...083133,00.html

The new deal won’t have any major changes from the past, but there were be several subtle alterations that will have a long-term benefit. The two sides have agreed to eliminate draft choice compensation for teams losing free agents, and they will have a slotting system for bonus money paid to June draft choices.

This seriously puts a damper in the ablility of small market teams to stay competitive IMO. The A's have built their team this way. I really don't see how this benefits any teams that have small budgets.

I think this is going to be one of the biggest CBA changes in history.

Will this go into effect for this year's FAs?

Bay Area Bob · 10-21-2006, 04:55 PM

oh, i can't believe some of the people they let be baseball reporters

seriously, FA draft pick compensation gone, predetermined draft bonuses are here for the first time? this is huge, not minor. jeez.

Jonzard · 10-21-2006, 04:58 PM

Slotted bonuses may help small market teams draft players they thought too expensive before though.

mikev · 10-21-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Slotted bonuses may help small market teams draft players they thought too expensive before though.

It might also pave the way for the trading of draft picks.

bababui · 10-21-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

It might also pave the way for the trading of draft picks.

Doubtful. Its already possible to trade draft picks but baseball draft picks, even first rounders, are a very risky proposition and not many first rounders develop into stars.

mikev · 10-21-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Doubtful. Its already possible to trade draft picks but baseball draft picks, even first rounders, are a very risky proposition and not many first rounders develop into stars.

By slotting the signing bonuses for picks, it assigns a dollar figure to the pick. That makes it tangible, and tradeable.

bababui · 10-21-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

By slotting the signing bonuses for picks, it assigns a dollar figure to the pick. That makes it tangible, and tradeable.

Draft picks have always been tradable. But the odds the draft pick will ever become a major leaguer are much lower than the other sports and thus their value is much less.

drprestwood · 10-21-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Draft picks have always been tradable. But the odds the draft pick will ever become a major leaguer are much lower than the other sports and thus their value is much less.

Incorrect - draft picks are not tradable. Players drafted are tradable, but not picks.

mikev · 10-21-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Draft picks have always been tradable. But the odds the draft pick will ever become a major leaguer are much lower than the other sports and thus their value is much less.

not true, you can't trade picks in MLB.

crackpott · 10-21-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

Incorrect - draft picks are not tradable. Players drafted are tradable, but not picks.

And to expand on that, players cannot be traded within 6 months of being drafted. And there's also a rule that a player to be named later has to be named within 6 months of the trade, so it effectively prohibit even the loophole of drafting the player and then trading him to the team. Currently, there's absolutely no way to trade for a draftee.

drprestwood · 10-21-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

And to expand on that, players cannot be traded within 6 months of being drafted. And there's also a rule that a player to be named later has to be named within 6 months of the trade, so it effectively prohibit even the loophole of drafting the player and then trading him to the team. Currently, there's absolutely no way to trade for a draftee.

true. thanks for filling in the gap. i couldn't remember if it was 6 months or until the next draft period.

GoCubsAndJays · 10-22-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

true. thanks for filling in the gap. i couldn't remember if it was 6 months or until the next draft period.

I always thought it was a full year after the player was drafted.

marc · 10-22-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Slotted bonuses may help small market teams draft players they thought too expensive before though.

BINGO. That's been my biggest problem with the way the CBA was setup, I'm a HUGE fan of the slotting system used in the NBA.

BadluckinOOTP · 10-22-2006, 01:51 AM

I'm pretty sure they can't be traded until a year after the draftee is signed

Skipaway · 10-22-2006, 01:36 PM

A slotting system in MLB could be a curse for bad teams. Since for the most part MLB prospects aren't sure things, bad teams might just be stuck with high picks and forced to ditch out high bonus while not exactly getting something better.

It would depend on how the slotting system is designed.

Spielman · 10-22-2006, 02:08 PM

Guh. This is going to be killer for the small market teams. This takes away a major impediment to big market teams developing their farm systems, and it sounds like it's going to force teams drafting early to shell out big bonuses to their draft picks thanks to the slotting system since they can't trade the pick or draft someone they can have for less money.

Unless there's other info coming on this, it doesn't sound good.

mgom27 · 10-22-2006, 07:11 PM

A reason why you don't see trading at the MLB Draft is that the MLB Draft is held in season where the others Sports ones are held in the Offseason!
Now if they move the MLB Draft to Tradedeadline Day then trades could happen because then a team willing to dump Salary might be willing to get Draft Picks back in return!
Also would like the Draft to be shown on live on ESPN! Chris Berman could be the host of it! You would get to see Bud Selig come to the Potum annouce who has been picked! Could also have a Green Room! Peter Gammons could be person who gives the Top people left on his board! You could have Tim or Buster or Jason with the lasest Rumors and one on the International Players and Pitchers in the Draft!
It could be shown like the NFL and NBA one is shown on ESPN!

CBL-Commish · 10-23-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spielman

Guh. This is going to be killer for the small market teams. This takes away a major impediment to big market teams developing their farm systems, and it sounds like it's going to force teams drafting early to shell out big bonuses to their draft picks thanks to the slotting system since they can't trade the pick or draft someone they can have for less money.

Unless there's other info coming on this, it doesn't sound good.

I don't think things are that dire. Because teams like the Yanks churn through more free agents than small market teams they get a lot of compensation picks. Often more than they lose. In 2004 the Yankees had four picks between the Rays' first and second picks. The Red Sox had five 1st/1st supplemental picks in 2005.

mikev · 10-23-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mgom27

A reason why you don't see trading at the MLB Draft is that the MLB Draft is held in season where the others Sports ones are held in the Offseason!
Now if they move the MLB Draft to Tradedeadline Day then trades could happen because then a team willing to dump Salary might be willing to get Draft Picks back in return!
Also would like the Draft to be shown on live on ESPN! Chris Berman could be the host of it! You would get to see Bud Selig come to the Potum annouce who has been picked! Could also have a Green Room! Peter Gammons could be person who gives the Top people left on his board! You could have Tim or Buster or Jason with the lasest Rumors and one on the International Players and Pitchers in the Draft!
It could be shown like the NFL and NBA one is shown on ESPN!

That's going to be hard to do considering the MLB draft is held via Conference Call.

10-21-2006, 03:51 PM	#1
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Draft pick compensation for FA's is gone now. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...083133,00.html The new deal won’t have any major changes from the past, but there were be several subtle alterations that will have a long-term benefit. The two sides have agreed to eliminate draft choice compensation for teams losing free agents, and they will have a slotting system for bonus money paid to June draft choices. This seriously puts a damper in the ablility of small market teams to stay competitive IMO. The A's have built their team this way. I really don't see how this benefits any teams that have small budgets. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

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Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Slotted bonuses may help small market teams draft players they thought too expensive before though. __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

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BadluckinOOTP All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 1,534	I'm pretty sure they can't be traded until a year after the draftee is signed __________________

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	A slotting system in MLB could be a curse for bad teams. Since for the most part MLB prospects aren't sure things, bad teams might just be stuck with high picks and forced to ditch out high bonus while not exactly getting something better. It would depend on how the slotting system is designed. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-22-2006, 02:08 PM	#17
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	Guh. This is going to be killer for the small market teams. This takes away a major impediment to big market teams developing their farm systems, and it sounds like it's going to force teams drafting early to shell out big bonuses to their draft picks thanks to the slotting system since they can't trade the pick or draft someone they can have for less money. Unless there's other info coming on this, it doesn't sound good. __________________ Spielman was at one time the smartest person on these boards. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...martest+Person I don't believe in AnotherAlias.

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Bay Area Bob Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Alabama via Oregon via Alabama Posts: 14,268 Posts: 276	oh, i can't believe some of the people they let be baseball reporters seriously, FA draft pick compensation gone, predetermined draft bonuses are here for the first time? this is huge, not minor. jeez.

10-22-2006, 07:11 PM	#18
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,531	A reason why you don't see trading at the MLB Draft is that the MLB Draft is held in season where the others Sports ones are held in the Offseason! Now if they move the MLB Draft to Tradedeadline Day then trades could happen because then a team willing to dump Salary might be willing to get Draft Picks back in return! Also would like the Draft to be shown on live on ESPN! Chris Berman could be the host of it! You would get to see Bud Selig come to the Potum annouce who has been picked! Could also have a Green Room! Peter Gammons could be person who gives the Top people left on his board! You could have Tim or Buster or Jason with the lasest Rumors and one on the International Players and Pitchers in the Draft! It could be shown like the NFL and NBA one is shown on ESPN! __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!