How the hell do you trade?!

wilkiburger · 07-11-2006, 07:03 PM

I cant seem to trade anyone, so maybe im doing it wrong. Can someone inform me how to do it cheers

Exodor · 07-11-2006, 07:07 PM

Persistence.

Seriously. The trade AI in 2006 seems to be much better than 6.5 - I find it much harder to 'rip it off'. Keep making offers and eventually you'll find a taker.

endgame · 07-11-2006, 07:26 PM

and don't fail to occasionally Discuss. You'll know you've hit upon an offer the other team will at least consider when the Submit Offer button becomes active again. Generally, when you're out of line or out of synch with the ability for either of you to actually perform the trade, the Submit button will be greyed out.

wilkiburger · 07-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Do you select a team to trade with then offer your player's then if they are interested they will offer someone in return. Ive tried with all of my players at the Marlins and i have had not one offer inclusding offering Dtrain

darkenigma510 · 07-11-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wilkiburger

Do you select a team to trade with then offer your player's then if they are interested they will offer someone in return. Ive tried with all of my players at the Marlins and i have had not one offer inclusding offering Dtrain

Maybe in this instance the Marlins aren't interested in moving anyone...at least not for any of your players. I try to look for what the other teams need and see if I at least somewhat match up first before proposing a trade.

GabeRivers · 07-11-2006, 07:54 PM

OOTP'06 doesn't appear to be designed to have the AI make offers from the trade screen. AI offers come by e-mail. You can "discuss" or negotiate by either responding to an AI e-mail offer with counteroffers, or by generating your own offers from the trade screen.

When you generate the offer, you have to present both sides of the proposal to the AI -- what you propose to give, and what you want for it. You'll know instantly by the AI's comments whether he will entertain the offer. If he will, you submit it. Then you have to wait a day (or sometimes as much as a few days), for the AI to respond by e-mail. He'll either accept the proposal or, more often than not, he'll respond "no way!". When he responds "no way", he'll either give you a list of names of players, any one of which you can add to make the deal fly, or he'll tell you that you have no single player that will make the deal work. Either way, you can continue to negotiate by responding with other proposals of your own design.

The more I play, the more I like what Markus has done with trading. It has a much more real life feel about it (that doesn't mean that I think it's perfect yet). One cool thing is that inbetween negotiating with one team regarding one or more of your players, you can shop the same guys to other teams. The trick is that you can only offer them elsewhere when you don't have your own offer outstanding. What I mean by that is that if the AI has countered, then the open offer is his and not yours, and before you respond to him, you can pitch the same guy(s) elsewhere. If you don't wait too long, you can always go back for further negotiates with the first guy. BTW, do all of this by responding (at the bottom) to the e-mails from the AI. don't try to go back each time to the trade screen -- the e-mail will send you there with your prior offer to that team still listed.

orwell · 07-11-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wilkiburger

I cant seem to trade anyone, so maybe im doing it wrong. Can someone inform me how to do it cheers

If you mean see what you could get for one of your players you're looking to unload, buckle your seatbelt and settle back for long, enchanting hours of trial-and-error, multi-screen fun involving (depending on your league setup) dozens and dozens and dozens of minor league and foreign leauge teams.

As you'll see in this very thread, some actually prefer this to the trading block or player swap, as it's more "realistic." That blows my mind, but no one else seems to miss the ability to get an idea of what you could get for a player you're offering. Note - a trading block option is NOT (or at least does not have to be) synonomous with being able to "rip off" the AI.

Personally I crank up the trading frequency and just hope the AI makes me an offer for a player I'm looking to trade. I don't even attempt proactive trades because they take hours and hours and hours.

I say a prayer to Babe Ruth every night that they'll return a trading block option, but I'd say the odds are better that the Pirates will meet the Royals in this year's World Series.

The Wolf · 07-11-2006, 08:35 PM

A lot of people want the trading block back.

GabeRivers · 07-11-2006, 08:50 PM

I think having the trading block back would be good, and as I said in my post, the system is not perfect yet, but before you buy someone's argument that "proactive trades" take "hours and hours and hours", you'd benefit from trying the system yourself. That certainly hasn't been my experience, but everyone is entitled to their own view of things.

orwell · 07-11-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GabeRivers

I think having the trading block back would be good, and as I said in my post, the system is not perfect yet, but before you buy someone's argument that "proactive trades" take "hours and hours and hours", you'd benefit from trying the system yourself. That certainly hasn't been my experience, but everyone is entitled to their own view of things.

I'm not asking anyone to "buy my argument." It's not an argument - it's reality. Maybe it takes you a few seconds because you're smarter than me or because you trade differently than do I or both. For me, it's a very tedious process.

Unlike others, I'm not arguing that people be FORCED to trade the way I prefer. I'd like the trading block brought back as an option, so that those who prefer the e-mail bantering back and forth and all the permutations can also enjoy their system.

GabeRivers · 07-11-2006, 09:04 PM

It's your reality, not everyone's. I didn't say you were pushing for him to buy your argument, I said he should try the system himself to see what he thinks. And again, I think the trade block would be a good thing.

BigMember · 07-11-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

A lot of people want the trading block back.

Man, this is a must in my book.

cabot41 · 07-11-2006, 09:19 PM

I want the trading block back too, I really liked it a lot. But "hours and hours"? It really doesn't have to be as tedious as you suggest.

I use the short list a lot. Every time a player pops up on my screen that that I think I might want (now or in the future) I shortlist him. This process takes no time at all.

When I decide to unload a guy, I go straight to my shortlist, find who I want and reasonable think I could get, and offer a one for one deal with the team.

Response comes back, if its accepted I got to the team's homepage and scout them further to see if there are any other players I might be able to swindle out of the deal, add and repeat. This is exactly the same thing I did in 6.5 ith the tradeblock, take the AIs intial offer, scout there team, see if I could get some more.

If the response is a NO, I look at what the AI is asking for in addition to the guy I wanted to trade. If its more than I want to give I go back to the shortlist and move on to the next teir down. Maybe that is what is saving me time. I don't try to trade for a 5 star guy (I miss the stars too) get priced out or straight rejected, and then go to the next 5 star guy. If my favorite superstar is going to cost me too much I assume that my second favorite superstar is going to cost me too much, so I move down to my favorite All-Star, then solid starter, and so on. The whole thing really doens't take that much time. I think that trading block allowed you to see players that maybe you weren't thinking about who are available. Instead, unless it comes back, you have to spend some forethought thinking about what players you want to get if they become available. But time wise its pretty much a wash (assuming you have a good running shortlist).

One curious thing that can maybe help you out ... I've found that it takes me significantly more time to trade players during the winter meetings and at the deadline ... when teams give you immediate "yes/no" responses, but they don't give you an indcation of "what it would take to make this work." Those are the times when you really feel like you have to go player by player to find some magic combination. I therefore try to only target at most 1 particular guy during those peirods of the season. If I can't get that guy, I just move on.

I hope this helps. I really think the trading block is great, but not essential to making timely manuevers

fantom1979 · 07-11-2006, 11:00 PM

I personally never used the trading block feature in previous games, and I love the new trading system. It just seems to be pretty real. If I want to unload a guy, its not instant like in the previous versions, it takes a couple of days.

Qrusher14242 · 07-11-2006, 11:09 PM

I wish we had the trade system from last time. Where we could select a guy and they would say right away if they were interested in him. Now it takes forever. Now i guess its more realistic, but its too time consuming right now for me.

DodgerGEP · 07-11-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

I wish we had the trade system from last time. Where we could select a guy and they would say right away if they were interested in him. Now it takes forever. Now i guess its more realistic, but its too time consuming right now for me.

It was also nice when you knew you were getting close to a deal because they would tell you if you were in the ballpark. Now it's just yes or no way! It'd be nice if there was some middle ground in discussions and even counter offers where they make an offer right back.

The Wolf · 07-11-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

I wish we had the trade system from last time. Where we could select a guy and they would say right away if they were interested in him. Now it takes forever. Now i guess its more realistic, but its too time consuming right now for me.

This is true of much of OOTP 2006. The game needs to have optional depths of play in many areas, like trading. If you want to do long email discussions about your trades, you should be able to, but if you don't like the depth or have the time and need the trading block back, you can have that too.

cibl commish · 07-12-2006, 12:16 AM

I always liked browsing the trading block, but I do think the trade AI itself is better this time around..

Zitofan75 · 07-12-2006, 12:25 AM

After awhile I realized the trading block was just letting me rip off the AI without even having to work at it to find good players.

You know, put out my 4th starter and all of a sudden clubs are throwing their blue chip prospect at me. That was fun of course since it wasn't that hard to always build up strong clubs but after awhile it just struck me as unrealistic. I can see the game having one Charlie Finley but not 20 of them so I tend to prefer the new system. Slower, but more back and forth and the AI is smarter in what it will take.

Zitofan75 · 07-12-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DodgerGEP

It was also nice when you knew you were getting close to a deal because they would tell you if you were in the ballpark. Now it's just yes or no way! It'd be nice if there was some middle ground in discussions and even counter offers where they make an offer right back.

Well not quite. If they tell you no way they will usually tell you what you could do to make it work. I've sometimes made counter offers as well that have worked out so I'm not sure if maybe you're not missing something?

07-11-2006, 07:03 PM	#1
wilkiburger Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 191	How the hell do you trade?! I cant seem to trade anyone, so maybe im doing it wrong. Can someone inform me how to do it cheers

07-11-2006, 07:26 PM	#3
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	and don't fail to occasionally Discuss. You'll know you've hit upon an offer the other team will at least consider when the Submit Offer button becomes active again. Generally, when you're out of line or out of synch with the ability for either of you to actually perform the trade, the Submit button will be greyed out. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

07-11-2006, 07:54 PM	#6
GabeRivers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 82	OOTP'06 doesn't appear to be designed to have the AI make offers from the trade screen. AI offers come by e-mail. You can "discuss" or negotiate by either responding to an AI e-mail offer with counteroffers, or by generating your own offers from the trade screen. When you generate the offer, you have to present both sides of the proposal to the AI -- what you propose to give, and what you want for it. You'll know instantly by the AI's comments whether he will entertain the offer. If he will, you submit it. Then you have to wait a day (or sometimes as much as a few days), for the AI to respond by e-mail. He'll either accept the proposal or, more often than not, he'll respond "no way!". When he responds "no way", he'll either give you a list of names of players, any one of which you can add to make the deal fly, or he'll tell you that you have no single player that will make the deal work. Either way, you can continue to negotiate by responding with other proposals of your own design. The more I play, the more I like what Markus has done with trading. It has a much more real life feel about it (that doesn't mean that I think it's perfect yet). One cool thing is that inbetween negotiating with one team regarding one or more of your players, you can shop the same guys to other teams. The trick is that you can only offer them elsewhere when you don't have your own offer outstanding. What I mean by that is that if the AI has countered, then the open offer is his and not yours, and before you respond to him, you can pitch the same guy(s) elsewhere. If you don't wait too long, you can always go back for further negotiates with the first guy. BTW, do all of this by responding (at the bottom) to the e-mails from the AI. don't try to go back each time to the trade screen -- the e-mail will send you there with your prior offer to that team still listed. Last edited by GabeRivers; 07-11-2006 at 07:55 PM.

07-11-2006, 11:00 PM	#14
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I personally never used the trading block feature in previous games, and I love the new trading system. It just seems to be pretty real. If I want to unload a guy, its not instant like in the previous versions, it takes a couple of days. __________________

07-11-2006, 11:09 PM	#15
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	I wish we had the trade system from last time. Where we could select a guy and they would say right away if they were interested in him. Now it takes forever. Now i guess its more realistic, but its too time consuming right now for me. __________________ "Go then, there are other worlds than these"

07-11-2006, 07:07 PM	#2
Exodor Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 481	Persistence. Seriously. The trade AI in 2006 seems to be much better than 6.5 - I find it much harder to 'rip it off'. Keep making offers and eventually you'll find a taker.

07-11-2006, 08:50 PM	#9
GabeRivers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 82	I think having the trading block back would be good, and as I said in my post, the system is not perfect yet, but before you buy someone's argument that "proactive trades" take "hours and hours and hours", you'd benefit from trying the system yourself. That certainly hasn't been my experience, but everyone is entitled to their own view of things.

07-11-2006, 09:04 PM	#11
GabeRivers Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 82	It's your reality, not everyone's. I didn't say you were pushing for him to buy your argument, I said he should try the system himself to see what he thinks. And again, I think the trade block would be a good thing.

07-11-2006, 09:19 PM	#13
cabot41 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 78	I want the trading block back too, I really liked it a lot. But "hours and hours"? It really doesn't have to be as tedious as you suggest. I use the short list a lot. Every time a player pops up on my screen that that I think I might want (now or in the future) I shortlist him. This process takes no time at all. When I decide to unload a guy, I go straight to my shortlist, find who I want and reasonable think I could get, and offer a one for one deal with the team. Response comes back, if its accepted I got to the team's homepage and scout them further to see if there are any other players I might be able to swindle out of the deal, add and repeat. This is exactly the same thing I did in 6.5 ith the tradeblock, take the AIs intial offer, scout there team, see if I could get some more. If the response is a NO, I look at what the AI is asking for in addition to the guy I wanted to trade. If its more than I want to give I go back to the shortlist and move on to the next teir down. Maybe that is what is saving me time. I don't try to trade for a 5 star guy (I miss the stars too) get priced out or straight rejected, and then go to the next 5 star guy. If my favorite superstar is going to cost me too much I assume that my second favorite superstar is going to cost me too much, so I move down to my favorite All-Star, then solid starter, and so on. The whole thing really doens't take that much time. I think that trading block allowed you to see players that maybe you weren't thinking about who are available. Instead, unless it comes back, you have to spend some forethought thinking about what players you want to get if they become available. But time wise its pretty much a wash (assuming you have a good running shortlist). One curious thing that can maybe help you out ... I've found that it takes me significantly more time to trade players during the winter meetings and at the deadline ... when teams give you immediate "yes/no" responses, but they don't give you an indcation of "what it would take to make this work." Those are the times when you really feel like you have to go player by player to find some magic combination. I therefore try to only target at most 1 particular guy during those peirods of the season. If I can't get that guy, I just move on. I hope this helps. I really think the trading block is great, but not essential to making timely manuevers

07-12-2006, 12:16 AM	#18
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 611	I always liked browsing the trading block, but I do think the trade AI itself is better this time around.. __________________ Rick

07-12-2006, 12:25 AM	#19
Zitofan75 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,413	After awhile I realized the trading block was just letting me rip off the AI without even having to work at it to find good players. You know, put out my 4th starter and all of a sudden clubs are throwing their blue chip prospect at me. That was fun of course since it wasn't that hard to always build up strong clubs but after awhile it just struck me as unrealistic. I can see the game having one Charlie Finley but not 20 of them so I tend to prefer the new system. Slower, but more back and forth and the AI is smarter in what it will take.