I don't like your team question

mking55 · 11-25-2002, 12:19 PM

Does anyone in the know, know how free agents determine why they don't like a team and won't talk to them?

In a league I'm involved in, some teams have troubles getting free agents because so many players won't talk to them. This is a problem.

In real life, money talks. I have a feeling in this game that it is random. However, I would be interested in knowing if I am right or what is the rational behind it.

We have seen problems with both teams full of garbage and winning teams.

Thank you.

Scott Vibert · 11-25-2002, 01:06 PM

I believe its been said that its random for some and related to the teams ability to win for others.

I simply do not like your team is random

I want to play for a winner not $Team_Name is related to the team and their success.

LivnLegend · 11-25-2002, 01:34 PM

I'll second that, it must be random. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to it. Athough I find it odd that I have seen cases where two or more free agents have the exact same list of clubs included on their "I do not like your team" list.

headtrauma · 11-25-2002, 02:14 PM

In my opinion, this function is neither realistic nor enjoyable. I wish we could turn this function off.

chrisj · 11-25-2002, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by headtrauma
In my opinion, this function is neither realistic nor enjoyable. I wish we could turn this function off.

It is realistic - we just don't get a reason *why* they don't want to play, so it seems odd.

For example, Mike Hampton didn't want to be traded to the Marlins. That's why he only agreed to that trade so long as he was traded to another team in another deal.

It's been said a number of players don't like playing in New York because of all the media pressure.

etc, etc

Steve Kuffrey · 11-25-2002, 02:22 PM

IMO, this adds to the challenge of the game. Otherwise in most cases you could just sign whoeveer you want.

Scott Vibert · 11-25-2002, 02:31 PM

Its an abstraction to account for teams not always being able to get everyone they want. Sometimes players just don't want to play for a particular team. For example if the Devil Rays offered A-Rod any contract, even the same one he got with Texas, I bet you the response would have been: No. In OOTP terms the response is "I simply do not like your team"

Another example: For whatever reason J.D. Drew simply did not like the Phillies

TheDROCK · 11-25-2002, 10:46 PM

personally i love this feature....and here's why...

on my recent team, i had a hole in left and there was an all-star LF sitting there during the free agent period. i thought, this guy is perfect for me but he quickly told me he didnt like my team.

he then went out and signed with one of my division rivals and now he keeps coming back and haunting me each time we play him.

ive even tried to trade for him a couple of times, but his team wont even consider my trade offers.

i dont know what my team did to piss him off, but he sure is taking it out on me!!!

fantom1979 · 11-26-2002, 01:57 PM

this is somewhat real. Just ask Detroit Tiger fan about Juan Gonzalez

headtrauma · 11-26-2002, 05:38 PM

I'm not arguing with the notion that some players enjoy this or other functions; however, I would argue that the majority of players' objections to particular teams have more to do with the desire to play for a winner than some other (seemingly) random reason, which are most likely the reasons Mike Hampton doesn't want to play in Florida or Juan Gonzalez dislikes Detroit....and I could understand any rational person's desire not to play in Philly.

Having said that, my point is that I'd love to see more options under the League Setup menu that can be disabled or enabled, depending on user preference.....a minor complaint, really.

mking55 · 11-26-2002, 06:10 PM

Personally, I think it's silly but respect other people's right to like it no matter how dumb it is.

This happened today in our league. A team made a bid on a player during free agency. The player said he would consider the offer.

Other bids on this same player were made during the first five rounds. The player did not choose any of them and is still on the market.

The team I mentioned above tried to enter a new offer. This team was not the highest bidder so far, but did have their first offer considered. They were told, "I do not like your organization".

This makes sense (sarcastic). I accept your offer and then the next day I don't want another offer? Actually, it is just a little too random, wouldn't you think.

Anyhow, making it a controllable option would be a most reasonable solution.

jafware · 11-26-2002, 06:50 PM

I agree with the idea to make it a option you could flip on or off.

Why not?

Go Tribe · 11-26-2002, 06:58 PM

no way it's random.

our league had four or five players with the exact same teams that they would not talk to. and these players were all over the spectrum for loyalty, play for winner, age, position, etc. and the teams that they wouldn't talk to included great teams and crappy teams.

MannyTrillo · 11-26-2002, 07:47 PM

I like this feature, but it seems like it's happening a bit too often in the new version.

I'd like to see more flexibility- refusing to even hear an offer should be rare, but maybe players could indicate that they aren't "excited" about playing for a team more often... in that case, the team could still sign the guy, but would have to offer substantially more than a team that the player was more interested in to get him.

VT Os fan · 11-27-2002, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by ScottVib
[BAnother example: For whatever reason J.D. Drew simply did not like the Phillies [/B]

Oh, there are reasons.

CDL Commish · 12-02-2002, 06:52 PM

I like this feature as it definately adds to the overall challenge. While I believe alot of it is random I believe there is some other factors. For example, 6 of the top 8 SP free agents wouldn't consider signing with my Brewers in the CDL probably because I have two aces on my team already. I reasoned they didn't want to sign with me because they wanted to be the ace of a new team. If me having 2 aces already on my team went into the equation, then it is very realistic, IMO!

Cooleyvol · 12-04-2002, 06:40 PM

I definitely isnt totally tied to on field record.......

I just won the championship in the USBA and the top FA didnt like my organization.

Go Tribe · 12-04-2002, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cooleyvol

I just won the championship in the USBA and the top FA didnt like my organization.

nobody likes a bragger

jk

Juvydriver · 12-04-2002, 08:17 PM

I thought it was built into the game to help keep the competitive balance up. If a team in LA has $100,000,000 every year compared to a team that only has $50,000,000 they could, in theory anyway, sign up all the good players every year just based on the fact that they have so much more money.

I could be wrong, but that's what I have heard.

ctorg · 12-09-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mking55
The team I mentioned above tried to enter a new offer. This team was not the highest bidder so far, but did have their first offer considered. They were told, "I do not like your organization".

This makes sense (sarcastic). I accept your offer and then the next day I don't want another offer? Actually, it is just a little too random, wouldn't you think.

I've had this happen, too. It does make sense if you look at it in the right way. Maybe he accepted the offer initially because it was the best he could get, even if he didn't like the team. But now that he has a better offer from a team he'd rather play for, he doesn't want to hear from a team he really didn't want to play for in the first place.

11-25-2002, 12:19 PM	#1
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	I don't like your team question Does anyone in the know, know how free agents determine why they don't like a team and won't talk to them? In a league I'm involved in, some teams have troubles getting free agents because so many players won't talk to them. This is a problem. In real life, money talks. I have a feeling in this game that it is random. However, I would be interested in knowing if I am right or what is the rational behind it. We have seen problems with both teams full of garbage and winning teams. Thank you.

11-25-2002, 01:34 PM	#3
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	I'll second that, it must be random. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to it. Athough I find it odd that I have seen cases where two or more free agents have the exact same list of clubs included on their "I do not like your team" list. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

11-25-2002, 02:22 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	IMO, this adds to the challenge of the game. Otherwise in most cases you could just sign whoeveer you want. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-25-2002, 10:46 PM	#8
TheDROCK Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 210	personally i love this feature....and here's why... on my recent team, i had a hole in left and there was an all-star LF sitting there during the free agent period. i thought, this guy is perfect for me but he quickly told me he didnt like my team. he then went out and signed with one of my division rivals and now he keeps coming back and haunting me each time we play him. ive even tried to trade for him a couple of times, but his team wont even consider my trade offers. i dont know what my team did to piss him off, but he sure is taking it out on me!!! __________________ Proud owner of EVERY version of OOTP

11-26-2002, 01:57 PM	#9
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	this is somewhat real. Just ask Detroit Tiger fan about Juan Gonzalez __________________

11-25-2002, 01:06 PM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,248	I believe its been said that its random for some and related to the teams ability to win for others. I simply do not like your team is random I want to play for a winner not $Team_Name is related to the team and their success.

11-25-2002, 02:14 PM	#4
headtrauma Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 114	In my opinion, this function is neither realistic nor enjoyable. I wish we could turn this function off.

11-25-2002, 02:31 PM	#7
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,248	Its an abstraction to account for teams not always being able to get everyone they want. Sometimes players just don't want to play for a particular team. For example if the Devil Rays offered A-Rod any contract, even the same one he got with Texas, I bet you the response would have been: No. In OOTP terms the response is "I simply do not like your team" Another example: For whatever reason J.D. Drew simply did not like the Phillies

11-26-2002, 05:38 PM	#10
headtrauma Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 114	I'm not arguing with the notion that some players enjoy this or other functions; however, I would argue that the majority of players' objections to particular teams have more to do with the desire to play for a winner than some other (seemingly) random reason, which are most likely the reasons Mike Hampton doesn't want to play in Florida or Juan Gonzalez dislikes Detroit....and I could understand any rational person's desire not to play in Philly. Having said that, my point is that I'd love to see more options under the League Setup menu that can be disabled or enabled, depending on user preference.....a minor complaint, really.

11-26-2002, 06:10 PM	#11
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Personally, I think it's silly but respect other people's right to like it no matter how dumb it is. This happened today in our league. A team made a bid on a player during free agency. The player said he would consider the offer. Other bids on this same player were made during the first five rounds. The player did not choose any of them and is still on the market. The team I mentioned above tried to enter a new offer. This team was not the highest bidder so far, but did have their first offer considered. They were told, "I do not like your organization". This makes sense (sarcastic). I accept your offer and then the next day I don't want another offer? Actually, it is just a little too random, wouldn't you think. Anyhow, making it a controllable option would be a most reasonable solution.

11-26-2002, 06:50 PM	#12
jafware Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 9	I agree with the idea to make it a option you could flip on or off. Why not?

11-26-2002, 06:58 PM	#13
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,534 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	no way it's random. our league had four or five players with the exact same teams that they would not talk to. and these players were all over the spectrum for loyalty, play for winner, age, position, etc. and the teams that they wouldn't talk to included great teams and crappy teams.

11-26-2002, 07:47 PM	#14
MannyTrillo All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 664	I like this feature, but it seems like it's happening a bit too often in the new version. I'd like to see more flexibility- refusing to even hear an offer should be rare, but maybe players could indicate that they aren't "excited" about playing for a team more often... in that case, the team could still sign the guy, but would have to offer substantially more than a team that the player was more interested in to get him. __________________ Poster emeritus "Not butchery, dining!!" obt sk cmh ct President, A-1 Aces OT Posting Club Click here to join

12-02-2002, 06:52 PM	#16
CDL Commish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 140	I like this feature as it definately adds to the overall challenge. While I believe alot of it is random I believe there is some other factors. For example, 6 of the top 8 SP free agents wouldn't consider signing with my Brewers in the CDL probably because I have two aces on my team already. I reasoned they didn't want to sign with me because they wanted to be the ace of a new team. If me having 2 aces already on my team went into the equation, then it is very realistic, IMO! __________________ Matt Skutley CDL Commish \| Brewers GM TBA!!!!!!\| Braves GM

12-04-2002, 06:40 PM	#17
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I definitely isnt totally tied to on field record....... I just won the championship in the USBA and the top FA didnt like my organization.

12-04-2002, 08:17 PM	#19
Juvydriver Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 119	I thought it was built into the game to help keep the competitive balance up. If a team in LA has $100,000,000 every year compared to a team that only has $50,000,000 they could, in theory anyway, sign up all the good players every year just based on the fact that they have so much more money. I could be wrong, but that's what I have heard. __________________ E-Mail: jpdavis44@myrailmail.com AIM: JDavis44 Owner/GM of the Roanoke Rampage in the VSBL.