06/08 Update: New injury-related features in OOTP 12

Markus Heinsohn · 06-08-2011, 11:00 AM

Hey guys,

just a quick update - things are going fine and I am in the process of finishing up the last couple new features for OOTP 12 before fixing the remaining bugs of the beta version. So, we're on schedule for the June 20th release

I have just finished coding the new injury system enhancements. Basically there are three new aspects here:

1) For some injuries, the exact type/ duration is not immediately revealed. Basically, the diagnosis may take up to 4-5 days for severe injuries. Once the diagnosis is revealed, a league news article (for good players) and a manager email will be sent.

2) This only makes sense if we have retroactive DL assignments, so I added this as well. The game stores the date of an injury, and if the date is in the past of the DL assignment, the length of the DL stay will be reduced by the time difference. So when you place a player on the 15-day DL who was injured 3 days ago, he just has to spend 12 days on the DL.

3) While I was in good mood, I also added rehab assignments to the minor leagues. You can send a player to the minors (right-click menu -> transactions submenu) directly from the DL if the DL time has ended. Position players may stay 20 days in the minors and pitchers 30 days. A minor league option is not used in this case. The game prompts you to activate/DFA the player again if the rehab assignment time has elapsed. By the way, this is not a cosmetic feature, players do have a 'rust' rating after injuries (this influences performance & injury risk), and by playing in the minors the player gets back into shape and the rust gets reduced/removed entirely.

Hope you like this

Cheers,
Markus

Doc_Brown · 06-08-2011, 11:03 AM

So wish it was the 20th now!!

falkonisback · 06-08-2011, 11:08 AM

Wow, this is awesome!!!!!! Thanks for the update Markus!!

Germaniac · 06-08-2011, 11:31 AM

Outstanding - this is what I really wanted ;o)

Or like we say over here: Sehr gut gemacht, danke

eriqjaffe · 06-08-2011, 11:44 AM

Markus, any chance the 7-day DL for concussions can sneak in there, too?

jtb · 06-08-2011, 11:45 AM

I like the retroactive DL and the rehab assignments! Great Job!

deacon2817 · 06-08-2011, 11:46 AM

Thank you for the update and the new additions. Sounds like a great step. The 20th can't come fast enough.

rewc27 · 06-08-2011, 11:47 AM

Awesome additions, also great to know that there is a rust factor when coming off the DL. Everytime I don't think the game can get better, you manage to prove me wrong.

ricko · 06-08-2011, 11:47 AM

It's unbelieveable how Markus just throws in Injury Diagnosis/Retroactive DL/Rehab Assignments...

Anyway, I'm sure it'll come out in due time, but I'm curious if certain injury types/lengths will require rehabbing while others won't, and how we'll know the difference?

Bluenoser · 06-08-2011, 11:47 AM

Great news - two questions:

1. What determines a "Good" player vs not "Good" for the news item?

2. A player injured 3 days before going on the 15 day DL only needs to spend 12 days on the DL. This could get complicated. If you DL is set 15 days, you can't take them off after 12 regardless if injury is healed. You could get into all kinds of scenarios here depending on your DL lenght and injury length in relation to that.

So, let's say player A is injured on the 10th, you place him on the 15 day DL on the 13th. Does this mean his actual DL time started on the 10th or 13th?

Thanks

risp2out · 06-08-2011, 11:48 AM

Great news. These are features I've been wanting.

Matt Arnold · 06-08-2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Great news - two questions:

1. What determines a "Good" player vs not "Good" for the news item?

2. A player injured 3 days before going on the 15 day DL only needs to spend 12 days on the DL. This could get complicated. If you DL is set 15 days, you can't take them off after 12 regardless if injury is healed. You could get into all kinds of scenarios here depending on your DL lenght and injury length in relation to that.

So, let's say player A is injured on the 10th, you place him on the 15 day DL on the 13th. Does this mean his actual DL time started on the 13th?

Thanks

I think that's the point of this. If a player has been hurt for 3 days, and then placed on the DL, the game will treat that as if he had been on the DL since the time he got hurt. So he's injured on the 10th, but you only place him on the DL on the 13th, he will be eligible to be activated from the DL on the 25th.

Also, will we be allowed to swap people from the 15 to 60-day DLs now? I mean, presumably once their 15-day stint is up, we could activate them and then put them back on the 60-day - will that time now be counted retroactive to their injury date?

mikestack · 06-08-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

2) This only makes sense if we have retroactive DL assignments, so I added this as well. The game stores the date of an injury, and if the date is in the past of the DL assignment, the length of the DL stay will be reduced by the time difference. So when you place a player on the 15-day DL who was injured 3 days ago, he just has to spend 12 days on the DL.

The new injury system sounds awesome-- just a quick question, does the retroactive DL dates apply to minor league players as well or just for the major league disabled list?

silvam14 · 06-08-2011, 11:59 AM

Cool!

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clwalcott · 06-08-2011, 12:04 PM

Nice touches, especially the rehab stuff.

Cooleyvol · 06-08-2011, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Great news - two questions:

1. What determines a "Good" player vs not "Good" for the news item?

2. A player injured 3 days before going on the 15 day DL only needs to spend 12 days on the DL. This could get complicated. If you DL is set 15 days, you can't take them off after 12 regardless if injury is healed. You could get into all kinds of scenarios here depending on your DL lenght and injury length in relation to that.

So, let's say player A is injured on the 10th, you place him on the 15 day DL on the 13th. Does this mean his actual DL time started on the 10th or 13th?

Thanks

1. If he gets a news article, he's good.

2. He said the time left on the DL is reduced, so no worries.

3. 10th basically.

fintach · 06-08-2011, 12:22 PM

That's fantastic, Markus! Thank you.

mikestack · 06-08-2011, 12:30 PM

Hey, as I'm thinking about this more...

Is there a way to transfer a player from the 15 day to the 60 day DL without having to activate him first?

I had this come up in OOTP11-- I had a player who was on the 15 day DL get into a car accident and be sidelined for four months because of the new injury. I had to demote someone off my roster, activate the injured guy, and then put him on the 60 day DL. Not a huge deal, but it could cause a morale blink when you do the movement...

cephasjames · 06-08-2011, 12:30 PM

Rehab assignments. Cool!

TLB1975 · 06-08-2011, 12:46 PM

Great News Markus. One question/request (probably way too late!), any way to improve the back end of an injury in the same way that the front end has now been modified, beyond just rehab assignments? I know that "setbacks" were added last time but I'm thinking more about having guys go from "out" until a specific date, to becoming "day-to-day" and able to play before being fully healed. Also, not knowing for definite when a player is fully healed but rather knowing that he's cleared to play.

I guess what I'm suggesting is to change the way injuries are dealt with from a static model to a dynamic one. What's being modified on the front end I think moves this forward

06-08-2011, 11:00 AM	#1
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	06/08 Update: New injury-related features in OOTP 12 Hey guys, just a quick update - things are going fine and I am in the process of finishing up the last couple new features for OOTP 12 before fixing the remaining bugs of the beta version. So, we're on schedule for the June 20th release I have just finished coding the new injury system enhancements. Basically there are three new aspects here: 1) For some injuries, the exact type/ duration is not immediately revealed. Basically, the diagnosis may take up to 4-5 days for severe injuries. Once the diagnosis is revealed, a league news article (for good players) and a manager email will be sent. 2) This only makes sense if we have retroactive DL assignments, so I added this as well. The game stores the date of an injury, and if the date is in the past of the DL assignment, the length of the DL stay will be reduced by the time difference. So when you place a player on the 15-day DL who was injured 3 days ago, he just has to spend 12 days on the DL. 3) While I was in good mood, I also added rehab assignments to the minor leagues. You can send a player to the minors (right-click menu -> transactions submenu) directly from the DL if the DL time has ended. Position players may stay 20 days in the minors and pitchers 30 days. A minor league option is not used in this case. The game prompts you to activate/DFA the player again if the rehab assignment time has elapsed. By the way, this is not a cosmetic feature, players do have a 'rust' rating after injuries (this influences performance & injury risk), and by playing in the minors the player gets back into shape and the rust gets reduced/removed entirely. Hope you like this Cheers, Markus __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android Last edited by Markus Heinsohn; 06-08-2011 at 11:03 AM.

06-08-2011, 11:31 AM	#4
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06-08-2011, 11:44 AM	#5
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,714	Markus, any chance the 7-day DL for concussions can sneak in there, too? __________________

06-08-2011, 11:47 AM	#8
rewc27 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reading PA Posts: 684	Awesome additions, also great to know that there is a rust factor when coming off the DL. Everytime I don't think the game can get better, you manage to prove me wrong. __________________ Commish and Phillies GM of the new Beyond The Future Baseball League. www.beyondthefuturebaseball.com Now Defunct Arcanum league - Phillies 1934 World Series Champs Commish of the long time running (now defunct) UMBL. Real Estate Needs www.randysellsyourhome.com

06-08-2011, 11:47 AM	#10
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,303	Great news - two questions: 1. What determines a "Good" player vs not "Good" for the news item? 2. A player injured 3 days before going on the 15 day DL only needs to spend 12 days on the DL. This could get complicated. If you DL is set 15 days, you can't take them off after 12 regardless if injury is healed. You could get into all kinds of scenarios here depending on your DL lenght and injury length in relation to that. So, let's say player A is injured on the 10th, you place him on the 15 day DL on the 13th. Does this mean his actual DL time started on the 10th or 13th? Thanks Last edited by Bluenoser; 06-08-2011 at 11:51 AM.

06-08-2011, 11:03 AM	#2
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	So wish it was the 20th now!!

06-08-2011, 11:08 AM	#3
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	Wow, this is awesome!!!!!! Thanks for the update Markus!!

06-08-2011, 11:45 AM	#6
jtb All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 595	I like the retroactive DL and the rehab assignments! Great Job!

06-08-2011, 11:46 AM	#7
deacon2817 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Long Island N.Y. Posts: 199	Thank you for the update and the new additions. Sounds like a great step. The 20th can't come fast enough.

06-08-2011, 11:47 AM	#9
ricko Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 90	It's unbelieveable how Markus just throws in Injury Diagnosis/Retroactive DL/Rehab Assignments... Anyway, I'm sure it'll come out in due time, but I'm curious if certain injury types/lengths will require rehabbing while others won't, and how we'll know the difference?

06-08-2011, 11:48 AM	#11
risp2out All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 648	Great news. These are features I've been wanting.

06-08-2011, 11:59 AM	#14
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,033	Cool! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

06-08-2011, 12:04 PM	#15
clwalcott Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 263	Nice touches, especially the rehab stuff.

06-08-2011, 12:22 PM	#17
fintach Major Leagues Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 481	That's fantastic, Markus! Thank you. __________________ Currently managing: The Bridgetown Gruffs History: Portland Purple Knights of the USBL: 1x NL Champs 1970-74 Berkeley Free Radicals of the BBL: 4x Division Title, 3x LCS, 2x Left Coast Cup Champions 2011 Portland River Dragons of the SPL: 1x Division Title 2011 Las Vegas Coyotes (MLB): half season before DH bored me to death.

06-08-2011, 12:30 PM	#18
mikestack Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 213	Hey, as I'm thinking about this more... Is there a way to transfer a player from the 15 day to the 60 day DL without having to activate him first? I had this come up in OOTP11-- I had a player who was on the 15 day DL get into a car accident and be sidelined for four months because of the new injury. I had to demote someone off my roster, activate the injured guy, and then put him on the 60 day DL. Not a huge deal, but it could cause a morale blink when you do the movement...

06-08-2011, 12:30 PM	#19
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06-08-2011, 12:46 PM	#20
TLB1975 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 371	Great News Markus. One question/request (probably way too late!), any way to improve the back end of an injury in the same way that the front end has now been modified, beyond just rehab assignments? I know that "setbacks" were added last time but I'm thinking more about having guys go from "out" until a specific date, to becoming "day-to-day" and able to play before being fully healed. Also, not knowing for definite when a player is fully healed but rather knowing that he's cleared to play. I guess what I'm suggesting is to change the way injuries are dealt with from a static model to a dynamic one. What's being modified on the front end I think moves this forward Last edited by TLB1975; 06-08-2011 at 12:47 PM. Reason: typo