Rule 5 Draft .... bug?

MKG1734 · 06-16-2015, 09:27 PM

I am currently in my 2nd offseason (using "default" or "out of the box" settings for a 2015 MLB start) ...

After completing my 2nd Rule 5 draft, I've noticed that teams are picking a LOT of catchers. When I say a lot, I mean...nearly 20 teams in a row are picking a catcher. Its essentially to the point where:

Team A will select a catcher that Team B left unprotected ... and then Team B will select a catcher that Team A left unprotected.

Even when the teams have plenty (more than 5) open spaces on the 40 man roster.

Is this a bug? Could this have anything to do with the prospects list including so many catchers? Is the game, somehow, valuing (overvaluing?) catchers to an extreme degree?

What other information can I present to illustrate what I'm seeing? Is anyone else seeing this (or is anyone else paying close enough attention to notice this, as well)?

SirMichaelJordan · 06-16-2015, 09:30 PM

Never seen this but the game does overvalue catchers.

Lukas Berger · 06-16-2015, 09:39 PM

Weird, have't seen this myself but it absolutely sounds like a bug.

As for the prospect lists, how many catchers do they have? There was a bug last year where something would go wonky on occasion and a specific position (often but not always catcher, it seemed to vary somewhat in each individual's installation for some reason) was overvalued on the top prospect lists to the tune of the lists consisting of something like 75% guys from that position. This was fixed this year, and it's certainly far less prevalent but it sounds like it may've cropped up again. If so, the Rule 5 issue may indeed be tied to it.

MKG1734 · 06-16-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

Weird, have't seen this myself but it absolutely sounds like a bug.
As for the prospect lists, how many catchers do they have? There was a bug last year where something would go wonky on occasion and a specific position (often but not always catcher, it seemed to vary somewhat in each individual's installation for some reason) was overvalued on the top prospect lists to the tune of the lists consisting of something like 75% guys from that position. This was fixed this year, and it's certainly far less prevalent but it sounds like it may've cropped up again. If so, the Rule 5 issue may indeed be tied to it.

Well, with regard to my comment on the prospects list containing catchers, I was referring to the bug from last year which I believe was corrected ... However and for what its worth, though, the League Prospects lists currently contains 15 catchers in the Top 100 for Team Ranking, and then 16 catchers of the Top 100 hitters. Even that seems pretty significant since there are only 3 CF, 1 LF, etc. It seems that it may be slightly out of whack, again, for whatever reason.

I'm not sure if that qualifies as significant, or not; however, I was tying the Rule 5 draft to the game still perhaps overvaluing catchers to an extreme level (even if the prospects list, itself, is not as out of control).

I've attached a screen shot of the top prospects list.

If I could figure out how to view the previous Rule 5 Drafts, I'd attach a screen shot of that as well. Suggestions?

SirMichaelJordan · 06-16-2015, 09:59 PM

FWIW the top player list will also be filled with all catchers. And the best American player in a foreign league are almost aways catchers. Catchers are usually the highest paid players in the game. Just something I've been noticing in my MLB QS test saves lately.

Padreman · 06-16-2015, 10:04 PM

Never seen it and 2 years not really long enough to see if this a trend

MKG1734 · 06-16-2015, 11:04 PM

Without starting a new thread for the moment ...is the game also overrating CL/RP as well?

The top 100 prospects includes 25 closers / relievers? (remember, standard "default" settings)

Lukas Berger · 06-17-2015, 12:50 AM

I think the question of overrating closers/catchers is an open one and worthy of discussion, but what you're showing on the closer screenshot is definitely not simply overrating. Something's wrong there.

It really does seem like a return of the top prospects list bug.

I'll log this this in the bug db soon, and we'll see what Markus and Matt have to say about it.

The catcher screen seems more borderline to me. Most of those are pretty highly rated guys who should be top 100 type prospects, assuming their development has gone well. So there might be some slight overrating of the catchers in game, that's very possible as I mention above, but I don't see anything to get too worked up about there, for now.

MizzouRah · 06-17-2015, 01:09 AM

Speaking of Top Prospects.. mine has 99 hitters and only 1 pitcher. I use dynamic, but something isn't right. My next season I'm switching to annual..(as the first report was fine, it messed up when it started updating throughout the season).. but I think there is some type of bug with the top prospects report for MLB QS.

MKG1734 · 06-17-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I think the question of overrating closers/catchers is an open one and worthy of discussion, but what you're showing on the closer screenshot is definitely not simply overrating. Something's wrong there.

It really does seem like a return of the top prospects list bug.

I'll log this this in the bug db soon, and we'll see what Markus and Matt have to say about it.

The catcher screen seems more borderline to me. Most of those are pretty highly rated guys who should be top 100 type prospects, assuming their development has gone well. So there might be some slight overrating of the catchers in game, that's very possible as I mention above, but I don't see anything to get too worked up about there, for now.

If you're logging it ... I assume you don't need me to do anything?

Lukas Berger · 06-17-2015, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MKG1734

If you're logging it ... I assume you don't need me to do anything?

Not unless they need game files.

06-16-2015, 09:27 PM	#1
MKG1734 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 256	Rule 5 Draft .... bug? I am currently in my 2nd offseason (using "default" or "out of the box" settings for a 2015 MLB start) ... After completing my 2nd Rule 5 draft, I've noticed that teams are picking a LOT of catchers. When I say a lot, I mean...nearly 20 teams in a row are picking a catcher. Its essentially to the point where: Team A will select a catcher that Team B left unprotected ... and then Team B will select a catcher that Team A left unprotected. Even when the teams have plenty (more than 5) open spaces on the 40 man roster. Is this a bug? Could this have anything to do with the prospects list including so many catchers? Is the game, somehow, valuing (overvaluing?) catchers to an extreme degree? What other information can I present to illustrate what I'm seeing? Is anyone else seeing this (or is anyone else paying close enough attention to notice this, as well)?

06-16-2015, 09:59 PM	#5
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	Rule 5 Draft .... bug? FWIW the top player list will also be filled with all catchers. And the best American player in a foreign league are almost aways catchers. Catchers are usually the highest paid players in the game. Just something I've been noticing in my MLB QS test saves lately. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 06-16-2015 at 10:00 PM.

06-16-2015, 10:04 PM	#6
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	Never seen it and 2 years not really long enough to see if this a trend __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

06-16-2015, 11:04 PM	#7
MKG1734 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 256	Without starting a new thread for the moment ...is the game also overrating CL/RP as well? The top 100 prospects includes 25 closers / relievers? (remember, standard "default" settings) Attached Images

06-17-2015, 12:50 AM	#8
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,365	I think the question of overrating closers/catchers is an open one and worthy of discussion, but what you're showing on the closer screenshot is definitely not simply overrating. Something's wrong there. It really does seem like a return of the top prospects list bug. I'll log this this in the bug db soon, and we'll see what Markus and Matt have to say about it. The catcher screen seems more borderline to me. Most of those are pretty highly rated guys who should be top 100 type prospects, assuming their development has gone well. So there might be some slight overrating of the catchers in game, that's very possible as I mention above, but I don't see anything to get too worked up about there, for now. Last edited by Lukas Berger; 06-17-2015 at 02:09 AM.

06-16-2015, 09:30 PM	#2
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	Never seen this but the game does overvalue catchers.

06-16-2015, 09:39 PM	#3
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,365	Weird, have't seen this myself but it absolutely sounds like a bug. As for the prospect lists, how many catchers do they have? There was a bug last year where something would go wonky on occasion and a specific position (often but not always catcher, it seemed to vary somewhat in each individual's installation for some reason) was overvalued on the top prospect lists to the tune of the lists consisting of something like 75% guys from that position. This was fixed this year, and it's certainly far less prevalent but it sounds like it may've cropped up again. If so, the Rule 5 issue may indeed be tied to it.

06-17-2015, 01:09 AM	#9
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Speaking of Top Prospects.. mine has 99 hitters and only 1 pitcher. I use dynamic, but something isn't right. My next season I'm switching to annual..(as the first report was fine, it messed up when it started updating throughout the season).. but I think there is some type of bug with the top prospects report for MLB QS. Last edited by MizzouRah; 06-17-2015 at 01:10 AM.