My annual thread begging for an inside-the-park home run fix

CBL-Commish · 03-04-2010, 10:30 AM

As I understand it, inside-the-park-home runs are currently hard-coded as an extremely rare play with a frequency based on total home runs. While that's probably a decent approximation of current major league play, it breaks down in other eras and places. In the deadball era, especially in huge ballparks, ISTP homers were common. 46 of Ty Cobb's 117 career homers were inside-the-park. Jesse Burkett hit 55 ISTP homers, and only 22 over the fence.

To fix this in the game I think we need a ballpark factor entry for inside the park/out of the park homer percentage. For most modern parks this would be <1%, but for huge parks, or deadball era games it might be as high as 50%.

It might also help to have league totals or other behind-the-scenes numbers to vary the overall ISTP homer percentage by year or era.

Cryomaniac · 03-05-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

As I understand it, inside-the-park-home runs are currently hard-coded as an extremely rare play with a frequency based on total home runs. While that's probably a decent approximation of current major league play, it breaks down in other eras and places. In the deadball era, especially in huge ballparks, ISTP homers were common. 46 of Ty Cobb's 117 career homers were inside-the-park. Jesse Burkett hit 55 ISTP homers, and only 22 over the fence.

To fix this in the game I think we need a ballpark factor entry for inside the park/out of the park homer percentage. For most modern parks this would be <1%, but for huge parks, or deadball era games it might be as high as 50%.

It might also help to have league totals or other behind-the-scenes numbers to vary the overall ISTP homer percentage by year or era.

I agree, there should be a setting for it.

bwburke94 · 03-13-2010, 11:04 AM

It should be based on triples and player speed instead.

CBL-Commish · 03-13-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

It should be based on triples and player speed instead.

I'm not so sure about that. First, there is no player triples rating, just gap power. Second, if you have a fence 525 feet from the plate Ryan Howard might hit more inside-the-parkers than Brian Roberts because he's more likely to hit a ball that'll roll all the way to the 525 sign.

damientheomen3 · 03-13-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

I'm not so sure about that. First, there is no player triples rating, just gap power. Second, if you have a fence 525 feet from the plate Ryan Howard might hit more inside-the-parkers than Brian Roberts because he's more likely to hit a ball that'll roll all the way to the 525 sign.

I think he meant the triples factor of the ballpark

CBL-Commish · 03-13-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

I think he meant the triples factor of the ballpark

Even so, I think you need a separate factor. To get some of the big or deadball parks right for ISTP homers you might have to have a triples factor that's off the charts. Then the triples wouldn't be right.

bwburke94 · 03-15-2010, 07:55 PM

The ballpark ratings in general need to be revamped anyway...

Goody · 03-15-2010, 08:57 PM

A formula that takes into account...

1. Hitting power
2. Running Speed
3. Baserunning ability
4. Ballpark HR factor (lower is better for this...doesn't really account for tall walls but would be pretty accurate most of the time)
5. Ballpark 3B factor

If the inside the park HR factor is added to the park factors just use that with 1, 2 and 3 for extreme accuracy.

Without that factor this would still be much more realistic.

CD1083 · 03-24-2010, 08:38 PM

Are you able to make it impossible to hit an out of the park homerun? Despite the irony that would ensue.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-25-2010, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

As I understand it, inside-the-park-home runs are currently hard-coded as an extremely rare play with a frequency based on total home runs. While that's probably a decent approximation of current major league play, it breaks down in other eras and places. In the deadball era, especially in huge ballparks, ISTP homers were common. 46 of Ty Cobb's 117 career homers were inside-the-park. Jesse Burkett hit 55 ISTP homers, and only 22 over the fence.

To fix this in the game I think we need a ballpark factor entry for inside the park/out of the park homer percentage. For most modern parks this would be <1%, but for huge parks, or deadball era games it might be as high as 50%.

It might also help to have league totals or other behind-the-scenes numbers to vary the overall ISTP homer percentage by year or era.

Good idea for OOTP 12

Cryomaniac · 03-25-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Good idea for OOTP 12

It'll be in my release day wishlist then

Kemp · 03-25-2010, 08:56 AM

Not to sound negative (everyone plays their own way!) but can't you just "assume" an inside the park homer versus an over the fence homer? That is, just kind of imagine that a homer in OOTP is actually an in the parker if that's what's more common in your league?

Or are you looking for an actual, separate statistical category for it?

Malleus Dei · 03-25-2010, 08:57 AM

Suspension of disbelief for the win!

Cras · 03-25-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kemp

Not to sound negative (everyone plays their own way!) but can't you just "assume" an inside the park homer versus an over the fence homer? That is, just kind of imagine that a homer in OOTP is actually an in the parker if that's what's more common in your league?

Or are you looking for an actual, separate statistical category for it?

I think he is asking for the game to simulate deadball baseball more accurately.

Kemp · 03-25-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

I think he is asking for the game to simulate deadball baseball more accurately.

Yes, I realize that. But in this case, he's really just looking for a change in the play-by-play (unless I'm totally understanding the issue incorrectly).

In the era he's playing, a homer is a homer whether it's over the fence or in the park. He just wants to see more insider the parkers (though the impact to the game is the same).

Again, I don't mean to sound like a jerk with this, but is it that big of a deal?

CD1083 · 03-25-2010, 06:33 PM

I don't adjust ballpark factors but what would happen if I set the fences to 600 feet? I know in real life that would cause the out of the park HR to become obsolete, doubles numbers would decrease while triples and inside of the park HR's would increase. Does this happen in game?

Flying Dutchmen · 03-25-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

I don't adjust ballpark factors but what would happen if I set the fences to 600 feet? I know in real life that would cause the out of the park HR to become obsolete, doubles numbers would decrease while triples and inside of the park HR's would increase. Does this happen in game?

Wall distances are cosmetic in the game; you could set the fences to 10000 feet but if you keep the park factors the same, you'll just see 10040 feet home runs instead of 380 feet home runs. They're merely the baseline for adding home run distances onto. Wall heights may have some impact on the numbers of pull-back or leaping catches, but someone else can come along and confirm that my memory is correct on that.

CD1083 · 03-25-2010, 06:45 PM

My follow up to that then; is my scenario possible by adjusting park factors? I don't have the game in front of me or I'd look for myself but is that the issue here? The ability to customize the park? Could I create an Arena baseball league? No foul balls, everything hit is in play, no out of the park homers. Like playing inside a snowglobe...

Flying Dutchmen · 03-25-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

My follow up to that then; is my scenario possible by adjusting park factors? I don't have the game in front of me or I'd look for myself but is that the issue here? The ability to customize the park? Could I create an Arena baseball league? No foul balls, everything hit is in play, no out of the park homers. Like playing inside a snowglobe...

You can customize the park to up the numbers of doubles and triples and decrease the number of out-of-the-park home runs. However, you can't control the size of foul territory though, as far as I know.

CBL-Commish · 03-25-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Good idea for OOTP 12

Great! I've been waiting 11 versions, so what's one more?

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Originally Posted by Kemp

Yes, I realize that. But in this case, he's really just looking for a change in the play-by-play (unless I'm totally understanding the issue incorrectly).

In the era he's playing, a homer is a homer whether it's over the fence or in the park. He just wants to see more insider the parkers (though the impact to the game is the same).

Again, I don't mean to sound like a jerk with this, but is it that big of a deal?

Yes, this is mostly cosmetic. I'd love a separate category for inside the parkers to be tracked. But I'd be ok with just a change in the play-by-play. I don't play deadball era much, but I do have a league with some really big parks. It requires much squinting and pretending to transform what the game calls a 625-ft homer into an inside-the-parker. I want to read the text of a guy flying around the bases on a liner up the gap that rolls to the 575 sign. It's just not the same when he's trotting around the bases on a homer that would be hard to believe in a park on Mars.

03-04-2010, 10:30 AM	#1
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	My annual thread begging for an inside-the-park home run fix As I understand it, inside-the-park-home runs are currently hard-coded as an extremely rare play with a frequency based on total home runs. While that's probably a decent approximation of current major league play, it breaks down in other eras and places. In the deadball era, especially in huge ballparks, ISTP homers were common. 46 of Ty Cobb's 117 career homers were inside-the-park. Jesse Burkett hit 55 ISTP homers, and only 22 over the fence. To fix this in the game I think we need a ballpark factor entry for inside the park/out of the park homer percentage. For most modern parks this would be <1%, but for huge parks, or deadball era games it might be as high as 50%. It might also help to have league totals or other behind-the-scenes numbers to vary the overall ISTP homer percentage by year or era. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

03-15-2010, 08:57 PM	#8
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	A formula that takes into account... 1. Hitting power 2. Running Speed 3. Baserunning ability 4. Ballpark HR factor (lower is better for this...doesn't really account for tall walls but would be pretty accurate most of the time) 5. Ballpark 3B factor If the inside the park HR factor is added to the park factors just use that with 1, 2 and 3 for extreme accuracy. Without that factor this would still be much more realistic. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

03-13-2010, 11:04 AM	#3
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,493	It should be based on triples and player speed instead.

03-15-2010, 07:55 PM	#7
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,493	The ballpark ratings in general need to be revamped anyway...

03-24-2010, 08:38 PM	#9
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Are you able to make it impossible to hit an out of the park homerun? Despite the irony that would ensue.

03-25-2010, 08:56 AM	#12
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	Not to sound negative (everyone plays their own way!) but can't you just "assume" an inside the park homer versus an over the fence homer? That is, just kind of imagine that a homer in OOTP is actually an in the parker if that's what's more common in your league? Or are you looking for an actual, separate statistical category for it?

03-25-2010, 06:33 PM	#16
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	I don't adjust ballpark factors but what would happen if I set the fences to 600 feet? I know in real life that would cause the out of the park HR to become obsolete, doubles numbers would decrease while triples and inside of the park HR's would increase. Does this happen in game?

03-25-2010, 06:45 PM	#18
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	My follow up to that then; is my scenario possible by adjusting park factors? I don't have the game in front of me or I'd look for myself but is that the issue here? The ability to customize the park? Could I create an Arena baseball league? No foul balls, everything hit is in play, no out of the park homers. Like playing inside a snowglobe...