OOTP Steve Blass Disease

liamdaly · 05-29-2005, 02:31 PM

Wow... I didn't realize that Markus had even programmed in some Steve Blass/Rick Ankiel lines...

This guy started as one of the most dominant pitchers in the league, helping to lead NY to several championships... Then he completely lost control:

Code:

Year	IP	K	BB	K/9	BB/9	K/BB	ERA
2004	266.3	348	57	11.76	1.93	6.11	1.86
2005	277.3	360	45	11.68	1.46	8.00	2.69
2006	261	323	26	11.14	0.90	12.42	2.93
2007	278.7	318	31	10.27	1.00	10.26	2.87
2008	273	341	43	11.24	1.42	7.93	3.36
2009	249	303	70	10.95	2.53	4.33	4.52
2010	222.3	271	95	10.97	3.85	2.85	5.34
2011	217	262	108	10.87	4.48	2.43	5.13

rudel.dietrich · 05-29-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liamdaly

Wow... I didn't realize that Markus had even programmed in some Steve Blass/Rick Ankiel lines...

This guy started as one of the most dominant pitchers in the league, helping to lead NY to several championships... Then he completely lost control:

Code:

Year	IP	K	BB	K/9	BB/9	K/BB	ERA
2004	266.3	348	57	11.76	1.93	6.11	1.86
2005	277.3	360	45	11.68	1.46	8.00	2.69
2006	261	323	26	11.14	0.90	12.42	2.93
2007	278.7	318	31	10.27	1.00	10.26	2.87
2008	273	341	43	11.24	1.42	7.93	3.36
2009	249	303	70	10.95	2.53	4.33	4.52
2010	222.3	271	95	10.97	3.85	2.85	5.34
2011	217	262	108	10.87	4.48	2.43	5.13

Yikes, that must of been some awful defense in 05, 06 and 07
Or the park factors are such that lots of EBH hits are given up.

liamdaly · 05-29-2005, 02:40 PM

Yeah, the defense was nothing special -- but I just checked the Catobase, the team finished 1-1-2 in runs scored in 05-07, so it looks like the offense more than made up for it.

I just noticed that his HR allowed has also skyrocketed:

Code:

 IP	HR	HR/9
266.3	8	0.27
277.3	18	0.58
261	18	0.62
278.7	17	0.55
273	31	1.02
249	44	1.59
222.3	31	1.26
217	36	1.49

Even though his walks and HR are rapidly increasing, I'll bet he manages to find jobs so long as he's good for 260-300 Ks

Anachronism · 05-29-2005, 04:48 PM

Just a guess.... but was 2008 OOTP5, and 2009+ OOTP6. We saw this happen with several players after our migration. For example, Roy Oswalt was a three time Cy Young award winner in OOTP5 (tops in wins, era, whip), then when we moved to 6, he had an average year, and then in the midst of a second VERY average year I moved him off my roster.

liamdaly · 05-29-2005, 05:14 PM

Nope, all in OOTP 6... No injuries recorded in his file either, he just took a couple of hits to his control, since 2007 his control ratings have gone 97-86-62-47-35, and his movement has gone from the 80s to the 60s.

In 2012 he went 14-10, 4.47, with 282 Ks (he's only once finished as low as 2nd in Ks) and 142 BBs in 227.2 IP, which is good for his usual 11.15 K/9 but he's up to 5.63 BB/9.

I'm thinking of changing his nickname to Nolan with numbers like that...

El Cid Part II · 05-30-2005, 01:13 AM

That stinks, but is also why OOTP6 is really amazing, you never know

liamdaly · 05-30-2005, 02:48 AM

It wouldn't be fun if these things didn't happen... The amazing thing is, even with his troubles, he's 2nd all time in wins. He seems to have gotten things under control (no pun intended) -- he's bounced back with two consecutive seasons of ERAs better than the league average, including a 2013 campaign that featured a 20-7 record, with 347 Ks (and 154 walks) in 249.1 innings -- good enough for the Cy Young, even though his era was a pedestrian 4.01. Now that I look, though, that is good for 8th in the league in ERA

Vezna31 · 05-30-2005, 05:41 AM

I'm interested in knowing how old he was in 2009.

Dan Theman · 05-30-2005, 11:37 AM

One more question -

Was 2004 the first year of your league? If so, you're likely running into the situation where stats are "normalizing." I don't remember who did the study on it, but they found it takes a good 15 seasons to get the stats where they should be and therefore recommend simming about that much (let the computer run for a little while under the "sim X seasons" method) before taking over a team.

liamdaly · 05-30-2005, 12:16 PM

Oh, I can tell that the game is trying to get talents and ratings under control -- there've been a couple years where none of the rookies were anything special, a seemingly disproportionate number of talent hits.

It keeps it interesting, though

05-29-2005, 02:31 PM	#1
liamdaly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 86	OOTP Steve Blass Disease Wow... I didn't realize that Markus had even programmed in some Steve Blass/Rick Ankiel lines... This guy started as one of the most dominant pitchers in the league, helping to lead NY to several championships... Then he completely lost control: Code: Year IP K BB K/9 BB/9 K/BB ERA 2004 266.3 348 57 11.76 1.93 6.11 1.86 2005 277.3 360 45 11.68 1.46 8.00 2.69 2006 261 323 26 11.14 0.90 12.42 2.93 2007 278.7 318 31 10.27 1.00 10.26 2.87 2008 273 341 43 11.24 1.42 7.93 3.36 2009 249 303 70 10.95 2.53 4.33 4.52 2010 222.3 271 95 10.97 3.85 2.85 5.34 2011 217 262 108 10.87 4.48 2.43 5.13

05-29-2005, 02:40 PM	#3
liamdaly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 86	Yeah, the defense was nothing special -- but I just checked the Catobase, the team finished 1-1-2 in runs scored in 05-07, so it looks like the offense more than made up for it. I just noticed that his HR allowed has also skyrocketed: Code: IP HR HR/9 266.3 8 0.27 277.3 18 0.58 261 18 0.62 278.7 17 0.55 273 31 1.02 249 44 1.59 222.3 31 1.26 217 36 1.49 Even though his walks and HR are rapidly increasing, I'll bet he manages to find jobs so long as he's good for 260-300 Ks

05-29-2005, 04:48 PM	#4
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	Just a guess.... but was 2008 OOTP5, and 2009+ OOTP6. We saw this happen with several players after our migration. For example, Roy Oswalt was a three time Cy Young award winner in OOTP5 (tops in wins, era, whip), then when we moved to 6, he had an average year, and then in the midst of a second VERY average year I moved him off my roster. __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..."

05-30-2005, 05:41 AM	#8
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,986	I'm interested in knowing how old he was in 2009. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

05-29-2005, 05:14 PM	#5
liamdaly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 86	Nope, all in OOTP 6... No injuries recorded in his file either, he just took a couple of hits to his control, since 2007 his control ratings have gone 97-86-62-47-35, and his movement has gone from the 80s to the 60s. In 2012 he went 14-10, 4.47, with 282 Ks (he's only once finished as low as 2nd in Ks) and 142 BBs in 227.2 IP, which is good for his usual 11.15 K/9 but he's up to 5.63 BB/9. I'm thinking of changing his nickname to Nolan with numbers like that...

05-30-2005, 01:13 AM	#6
El Cid Part II Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Reuniting the Spanish Cookie Elves Posts: 51	That stinks, but is also why OOTP6 is really amazing, you never know

05-30-2005, 02:48 AM	#7
liamdaly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 86	It wouldn't be fun if these things didn't happen... The amazing thing is, even with his troubles, he's 2nd all time in wins. He seems to have gotten things under control (no pun intended) -- he's bounced back with two consecutive seasons of ERAs better than the league average, including a 2013 campaign that featured a 20-7 record, with 347 Ks (and 154 walks) in 249.1 innings -- good enough for the Cy Young, even though his era was a pedestrian 4.01. Now that I look, though, that is good for 8th in the league in ERA

05-30-2005, 12:16 PM	#10
liamdaly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 86	Oh, I can tell that the game is trying to get talents and ratings under control -- there've been a couple years where none of the rookies were anything special, a seemingly disproportionate number of talent hits. It keeps it interesting, though