Cruiserweight Title

IceTea · 05-20-2005, 09:35 PM

O'Neal Bell and Dale Brown are on ESPN II.

MJ

IceTea · 05-20-2005, 10:07 PM

Brown got robbed. The worst ruling this year.

MJ

jrftbl56 · 05-20-2005, 11:30 PM

Brown was only there to boost Bells record thats how boxing is.

IceTea · 05-20-2005, 11:56 PM

Yes, but Brown won the fight. Bell will get abused against Mormeck.

MJ

hamed · 05-21-2005, 08:57 AM

I just had Bell fight Jirov for his IBF belt & Jirov easily beat Bell via a 3rd round KO. Based on how Dale was hurting Bell in their fight last night, I think Jirov really would have blown Bell away in real life too!

jofre · 05-21-2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceTea

Brown got robbed. The worst ruling this year.

MJ

I agree! Bad decisions have always been a part of boxing, but I can’t ever recall a period as consistently bad as the current. This is turning the casual boxing fan off of boxing. Maybe the No Decision (ND) era wasn’t such a bad idea after all.

jofre · 05-21-2005, 10:27 AM

Here are the Bout Results with 1,000 Repeats

The question is - does this reflect a focused Bell, or the Bell who may have taken Brown lightly?

Dale Brown vs O'Neil Bell 372-617-11

Brown won 37.20% of the matches.
Average rounds for wins: 6.83
Decisions: 66
Unanimous Decisions: 53
Split Decisions: 6
Majority Decisions: 7
Stoppages: 306
Knockouts: 108
Technical Knockouts: 198
Referee's Decision: 132
Due to Swelling: 49
Due to Cuts: 17

Bell won 61.70% of the matches.
Average rounds for wins: 5.64
Decisions: 64
Unanimous Decisions: 48
Split Decisions: 7
Majority Decisions: 9
Stoppages: 553
Knockouts: 325
Technical Knockouts: 228
Referee's Decision: 211
Due to Swelling: 5
Due to Cuts: 12
1.10% of the matches have been draws.
Average number of rounds: 6.14

jofre · 05-21-2005, 10:39 AM

No. Bout Rounds Repeats Result
Dale Brown vs O'Neil Bell 1000= 555-428-17

I changed Bell to "Completely Unprepared."

Brown won 55.50% of the matches.

Average rounds for wins: 6.65
Decisions: 76
Unanimous Decisions: 61
Split Decisions: 6
Majority Decisions: 9
Stoppages: 479
Knockouts: 168
Technical Knockouts: 311
Referee's Decision: 226
Due to Swelling: 59
Due to Cuts: 26

Bell won 42.80% of the matches.

Average rounds for wins: 5.49
Decisions: 32
Unanimous Decisions: 22
Split Decisions: 5
Majority Decisions: 5
Stoppages: 396
Knockouts: 254
Technical Knockouts: 142
Referee's Decision: 126
Due to Cuts: 16
1.70% of the matches have been draws.
Average number of rounds: 6.23

Antonin · 05-21-2005, 11:00 AM

Brown clearly won the fight, IMHO. I actually jumped out of my chair and shouted at the TV screen when the "decision" was announced.

He was a real gentleman about his "loss" and I hope better things are in store for him in the future.

jofre · 05-21-2005, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonin

Brown clearly won the fight, IMHO. I actually jumped out of my chair and shouted at the TV screen when the "decision" was announced.

He was a real gentleman about his "loss" and I hope better things are in store for him in the future.

There are so many Alphabets out there Brown will get another shot at one of them. Recycling title challengers is big business. But Brown is deserving of a rematch.... but he'll probably get ripped off again.

jrftbl56 · 05-21-2005, 08:21 PM

Brown is a cruiserweight so he wasnt really in line for anything big in the first place if he sticks around long enough in that division he will have a least a couple more title shots

IceTea · 05-21-2005, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrftbl56

Brown is a cruiserweight so he wasnt really in line for anything big in the first place if he sticks around long enough in that division he will have a least a couple more title shots

I do not agree. Brown won this fight and they robbed him. That will take more out of him then the punches Bell hit him with.

Cap · 05-22-2005, 08:20 AM

I was really pi**d off with that call, and it's left a real sour taste in my mouth. Brown did everything he had to do to beat Bell. I gave the American 3 of the 12 rounds. I don't care where the judges were sitting ringside, they should have seen Brown out-boxing Bell. Dale said what he said later because he understands the dirty politics of boxing and didn't want to get black-balled by the thieves and liars who populate the fight game. Dale fought one of the best fights of his life and should have been rewarded with a win. The judge who scored 117 for Bell should be brought up on criminal charges cause he robbed the Canadian.

I'll tell you, I saw the fight yesterday and I'm still mad.

Cap

Cap · 05-23-2005, 01:03 PM

What really bothers me today is the fact that the local paper carries an AP report that claims that Bell outboxed Brown to win the title! Not a word about the controversy! It's like someone at AP waited until the fight was over, then inquired as to who had been awarded the title. So much for the great free press.

Cap

LeeSkye · 05-23-2005, 05:44 PM

I was so mad I almost signed on and said "I quit" -really

05-20-2005, 09:35 PM	#1
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	Cruiserweight Title O'Neal Bell and Dale Brown are on ESPN II. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

05-20-2005, 10:07 PM	#2
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	Brown got robbed. The worst ruling this year. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

05-20-2005, 11:56 PM	#4
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	Yes, but Brown won the fight. Bell will get abused against Mormeck. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

05-21-2005, 10:27 AM	#7
jofre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,139	Brown-Bell Simulation Here are the Bout Results with 1,000 Repeats The question is - does this reflect a focused Bell, or the Bell who may have taken Brown lightly? Dale Brown vs O'Neil Bell 372-617-11 Brown won 37.20% of the matches. Average rounds for wins: 6.83 Decisions: 66 Unanimous Decisions: 53 Split Decisions: 6 Majority Decisions: 7 Stoppages: 306 Knockouts: 108 Technical Knockouts: 198 Referee's Decision: 132 Due to Swelling: 49 Due to Cuts: 17 Bell won 61.70% of the matches. Average rounds for wins: 5.64 Decisions: 64 Unanimous Decisions: 48 Split Decisions: 7 Majority Decisions: 9 Stoppages: 553 Knockouts: 325 Technical Knockouts: 228 Referee's Decision: 211 Due to Swelling: 5 Due to Cuts: 12 1.10% of the matches have been draws. Average number of rounds: 6.14 __________________ jofre

05-21-2005, 10:39 AM	#8
jofre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,139	Brown-Bell Repeat 2 with Conditioning Tweak No. Bout Rounds Repeats Result Dale Brown vs O'Neil Bell 1000= 555-428-17 I changed Bell to "Completely Unprepared." Brown won 55.50% of the matches. Average rounds for wins: 6.65 Decisions: 76 Unanimous Decisions: 61 Split Decisions: 6 Majority Decisions: 9 Stoppages: 479 Knockouts: 168 Technical Knockouts: 311 Referee's Decision: 226 Due to Swelling: 59 Due to Cuts: 26 Bell won 42.80% of the matches. Average rounds for wins: 5.49 Decisions: 32 Unanimous Decisions: 22 Split Decisions: 5 Majority Decisions: 5 Stoppages: 396 Knockouts: 254 Technical Knockouts: 142 Referee's Decision: 126 Due to Cuts: 16 1.70% of the matches have been draws. Average number of rounds: 6.23 __________________ jofre

05-20-2005, 11:30 PM	#3
jrftbl56 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 287	Brown was only there to boost Bells record thats how boxing is.

05-21-2005, 08:57 AM	#5
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I just had Bell fight Jirov for his IBF belt & Jirov easily beat Bell via a 3rd round KO. Based on how Dale was hurting Bell in their fight last night, I think Jirov really would have blown Bell away in real life too!

05-21-2005, 11:00 AM	#9
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,544	Brown clearly won the fight, IMHO. I actually jumped out of my chair and shouted at the TV screen when the "decision" was announced. He was a real gentleman about his "loss" and I hope better things are in store for him in the future.

05-21-2005, 08:21 PM	#11
jrftbl56 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 287	Brown is a cruiserweight so he wasnt really in line for anything big in the first place if he sticks around long enough in that division he will have a least a couple more title shots

05-22-2005, 08:20 AM	#13
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,014	I was really pid off with that call, and it's left a real sour taste in my mouth. Brown did everything he had to do to beat Bell. I gave the American 3 of the 12 rounds. I don't care where the judges were sitting ringside, they should have seen Brown out-boxing Bell. Dale said what he said later because he understands the dirty politics of boxing and didn't want to get black-balled by the thieves and liars who populate the fight game. Dale fought one of the best fights of his life and should have been rewarded with a win. The judge who scored 117 for Bell should be brought up on criminal charges cause he robbed the Canadian. I'll tell you, I saw the fight yesterday and I'm still mad. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."**

05-23-2005, 01:03 PM	#14
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,014	What really bothers me today is the fact that the local paper carries an AP report that claims that Bell outboxed Brown to win the title! Not a word about the controversy! It's like someone at AP waited until the fight was over, then inquired as to who had been awarded the title. So much for the great free press. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

05-23-2005, 05:44 PM	#15
LeeSkye All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Igloo Posts: 1,279	I was so mad I almost signed on and said "I quit" -really __________________ What If Championship Boxing