Interesting Test (concerning Barry Bonds and the Giants)

Giants44 · 03-22-2005, 08:55 PM

Today Barry basically said he doesn't want to play this year. I saw the interview and to me it looked like he was frustrated and overwhelmed with all that is happening. Believe me, I am not saying he hasn't brought most of it on himself and this is certainly not another bash/defend Barry post.

So a friend and I were talking (he is a cubs fan) and said wouldn't it be funny if he does miss the whole year and they win it all. Sure it would be funny, but as a Giants fan I would be ecstatic regardless of whether Barry played or not.

Simply this is nothing more then a "how do they do with out him" question using OOTP and the latest toadfreak rosters (nice work BTW)

So I simmed 5 seasons with him out the whole year and another 5 with him missing just the first month. (certainly not scientific - but interesting none the less)

Giants44 · 03-22-2005, 09:01 PM

without barry

and yes season 4 does have the NATIONALS winning the world series.

rem · 03-22-2005, 09:04 PM

OOTP likes the NL, it seems!

Dagrims · 03-22-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

and yes season 4 does have the NATIONALS winning the world series.

That's nothing compared to Season 5.

Giants44 · 03-22-2005, 10:08 PM

so Barry didn't make a difference - he had monster numbers, but still no titles for the Giants

Malleus Dei · 03-22-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

Today Barry basically said he doesn't want to play this year.

I wish he'd made that decision back when he first started using steroids. And kept making it.

treedom · 03-22-2005, 10:51 PM

Damn, I hope Barry comes back soon so the Jays can win it two years from now.

M's rule · 03-23-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

I wish he'd made that decision back when he first started using steroids. And kept making it.

Umm . . . why would he start using steroids and then decide to stop playing? Bulking up for his retirement?

I Am The Game · 03-23-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Damn, I hope Barry comes back soon so the Jays can win it two years from now.

Actually, they'd win it THIS season

Crapshoot · 03-23-2005, 12:40 AM

I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better.

Crapshoot · 03-23-2005, 12:56 AM

Dola, if someone had DMB, I'd be interested in a sim for the Giants sans bonds- I predict a 74 win team at best.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 03-23-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Dola, if someone had DMB, I'd be interested in a sim for the Giants sans bonds- I predict a 74 win team at best.

I have DMB9 with the projection disk for 2005. I will play out the season scenarios tomorrow 5 with and 5 without to see what DMB thinks will happen

CaramonLS · 03-23-2005, 02:34 AM

I don't forgive Barry. I had to do a bailout trade with him today before anyone really found out the news on my Fantasy Baseball League.

Didn't get really good value, but it will be better than what Barry does this year.

Bald Eagles · 03-23-2005, 11:42 AM

Given that he's out at least till the all-star break, do you think he'll come back at all? I think he wants to hit #756. After that, he's done.

Crapshoot · 03-23-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

I have DMB9 with the projection disk for 2005. I will play out the season scenarios tomorrow 5 with and 5 without to see what DMB thinks will happen

Thanks - though if you have the time - a longer test would be great.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 03-23-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Thanks - though if you have the time - a longer test would be great.

How about 20 seasons without him and with him and maybe another 20 with him from the Allstar break. That may take me some time but I have already started (at work). I'll let you know the results as soon as they are compiled

Just finsihed the first season (without him) and the Giants were 77-85 in 4th place 9 games out (LA won the division with a 86-76 record).

Crapshoot · 03-23-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

How about 20 seasons without him and with him and maybe another 20 with him from the Allstar break. That may take me some time but I have already started (at work). I'll let you know the results as soon as they are compiled

Just finsihed the first season (without him) and the Giants were 77-85 in 4th place 9 games out (LA won the division with a 86-76 record).

Awesome. running the test that is- not the result...

Claybor · 03-23-2005, 03:04 PM

Barry was a good ballplayer when he first came up, and would have been for his entire career had he choose the proper path. There is no way anyone can tell me he didnt know he was using performance enhancing drugs, hes not that stupid. So now he is labeled a "cheater" and I think obviously he is a "liar", and I would like to see everyone stop talking about him as he does not deserve all the attention.

"I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better."

Baseball has never been sadder except perhaps during the whitesox scandal in 1919. If these guys would just come out and say, "Yes, I did it, it was a poor choice and it wont happen again.", we could all move on. I am personally tired of hearing about steroids and want to hear about baseball.

IatricSB · 03-23-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better.

What is your criteria for "better"? Attendance? Entertainment? Other?

Malleus Dei · 03-23-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better.

I wish those who have no historical perspective could understand that baseball has never been this bad since 1919.

03-22-2005, 08:55 PM	#1
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	Interesting Test (concerning Barry Bonds and the Giants) Today Barry basically said he doesn't want to play this year. I saw the interview and to me it looked like he was frustrated and overwhelmed with all that is happening. Believe me, I am not saying he hasn't brought most of it on himself and this is certainly not another bash/defend Barry post. So a friend and I were talking (he is a cubs fan) and said wouldn't it be funny if he does miss the whole year and they win it all. Sure it would be funny, but as a Giants fan I would be ecstatic regardless of whether Barry played or not. Simply this is nothing more then a "how do they do with out him" question using OOTP and the latest toadfreak rosters (nice work BTW) So I simmed 5 seasons with him out the whole year and another 5 with him missing just the first month. (certainly not scientific - but interesting none the less)

03-22-2005, 09:01 PM	#2
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	without barry and yes season 4 does have the NATIONALS winning the world series. Attached Images

03-22-2005, 09:04 PM	#3
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	OOTP likes the NL, it seems! __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

03-22-2005, 10:08 PM	#5
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	so Barry didn't make a difference - he had monster numbers, but still no titles for the Giants Attached Images

03-23-2005, 12:40 AM	#10
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

03-22-2005, 10:51 PM	#7
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	Damn, I hope Barry comes back soon so the Jays can win it two years from now. __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

03-23-2005, 12:56 AM	#11
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Dola, if someone had DMB, I'd be interested in a sim for the Giants sans bonds- I predict a 74 win team at best. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

03-23-2005, 02:34 AM	#13
CaramonLS Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 131	I don't forgive Barry. I had to do a bailout trade with him today before anyone really found out the news on my Fantasy Baseball League. Didn't get really good value, but it will be better than what Barry does this year.

03-23-2005, 11:42 AM	#14
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	Given that he's out at least till the all-star break, do you think he'll come back at all? I think he wants to hit #756. After that, he's done.

03-23-2005, 03:04 PM	#18
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,360 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Barry was a good ballplayer when he first came up, and would have been for his entire career had he choose the proper path. There is no way anyone can tell me he didnt know he was using performance enhancing drugs, hes not that stupid. So now he is labeled a "cheater" and I think obviously he is a "liar", and I would like to see everyone stop talking about him as he does not deserve all the attention. "I wish that all the folks who keep waxing about baseball that used to be understood that baseball has never been better." Baseball has never been sadder except perhaps during the whitesox scandal in 1919. If these guys would just come out and say, "Yes, I did it, it was a poor choice and it wont happen again.", we could all move on. I am personally tired of hearing about steroids and want to hear about baseball.