OOTP draft simulation league

Riverdome · 04-18-2005, 12:21 PM

I was driving around on my lunch break thinking about how cool it would be to have a simulation where I could test my drafting skills. Then it occured to me that OOTP can basicly do that.

Does anyone run a league (solo or otherwise) where all you basicly do is draft? I envision a financials off, trading off, FA off type league where the only way to improve would be through the draft. Hmm something to think about.

FamundaCheese · 04-18-2005, 12:59 PM

Interesting. I think what you might find is that eventually every team would have 2-3 guys who dominate. With trading on and financials on you would always have those team whose rosters are full of hasbeens and neverwillbes because they cant afford to sign high priced free agents or keep the talent that they have developed. If you decide to experiment please post your results as I would be interested in knowing what happens.

treedom · 04-18-2005, 01:05 PM

I was toying with this idea a little while ago, actually. I've always preferred turning off financials and FAs, as for the trades, some of the moves the AI makes are really dumb, and in the absence of an AI trade veto system (which would be REALLY cool!!) I thought that I may just turn them off altogether in my next solo league and see how that works.

The concern I have though is that the AI seems to draft ammys based on their score alone without looking at where its holes are (I think). So I'm thinking that there would have to be more than the usual draft rounds to try to give each team more depth to compensate.

Also, a way to justify running this kinda league would be to have each team represent a different country, and edit all the guys they draft to be from that country. That way you could explain away a team being really stacked at a position with ML level guys stuck in AAA: the country simply has a lot of depth at the position, but still, these guys aren't about to play for another nation.

Riverdome · 04-18-2005, 01:07 PM

What got me thinking was a conversation I heard on ESPN radio. The host basicly said the NFL draft is so popular because all the NCAA football fans can follow where their favorite players end up. Then all the NFL fans can play GM and predict who should take who in the draft.

I'm thinking more of a solo league rather than on-line. I think the game would have to contain a much deeper draft engine with tons more data and ways to gather such data. I guess it could almost end up being it's own game itself. I dunno, been so long since I've really gotten into a solo league I have all sorts of ideas swirling. I finally finish my BS in a few weeks. OOTP will be filling up much of my new free time.

Riverdome · 04-18-2005, 01:10 PM

treedom,

The other issue I came up with right away was a team who is badly in need of a player at a particular position. I don't want the 18 yr old blue chip catcher being a backup in the big leagues just because there are only 2 catchers in the system.

QuestGAV · 04-18-2005, 01:19 PM

Could be interesting, but are there enough strategic decisions to make? If you're only making x personnel decisions per year, where x is the number of draft rounds, is it going to keep your interest? Or are you looking at more of a hands-off situation where you just watch how a certain number of AI teams deal with it?

Obviously, this is a very personal consideration, but I think I'd get bored if all I was doing was drafting, promoting, demoting, and making out your lineups. I tend to enjoy trying to find the right time to flip a guy to another team to enhance a weakness more than anything else in the game. If all I was doing during the season was trying to manage from within I'd go nuts.

Riverdome · 04-18-2005, 01:30 PM

Good ques Quest. In my mind I'm thinking you wouldn't control the day to day operations. Think of yourself as a true GM, not a manager or bench coach. You will want to check in on the squad on a say monthly basis to keep in touch with what the needs are but that's about it. It would be nice if you could keep up to date with the happenings in the feeder leagues that will eventually make up your draft class. I guess I am thinking of a completely seperate game. It could be done with OOTP but with the draft only being a small part of a much larger great game I don't think it would fully work. I may try it just the same just to see how it feels.

treedom · 04-18-2005, 01:41 PM

For me this would not be a problem, since I often like playing solo without actually running a team...and therefore without making any GM/manager decisions whatsoever.

asamford · 04-19-2005, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

The concern I have though is that the AI seems to draft ammys based on their score alone without looking at where its holes are (I think).

this seems to have gotten better with one of the recent patches, but maybe it's just my imaagination.

rasnell · 04-19-2005, 05:00 AM

I really like Treedom's idea of being prompted about AI trades so that you could veto those that are "not in the best interests of OOTP baseball." Guess we could call this Bowie Kuhn Mode or Commissioner Mode.

treedom · 04-19-2005, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasnell

I really like Treedom's idea of being prompted about AI trades so that you could veto those that are "not in the best interests of OOTP baseball." Guess we could call this Bowie Kuhn Mode or Commissioner Mode.

Btw, it's originally Kemp's idea.

04-18-2005, 12:21 PM	#1
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	OOTP draft simulation league I was driving around on my lunch break thinking about how cool it would be to have a simulation where I could test my drafting skills. Then it occured to me that OOTP can basicly do that. Does anyone run a league (solo or otherwise) where all you basicly do is draft? I envision a financials off, trading off, FA off type league where the only way to improve would be through the draft. Hmm something to think about. __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-18-2005, 01:05 PM	#3
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	I was toying with this idea a little while ago, actually. I've always preferred turning off financials and FAs, as for the trades, some of the moves the AI makes are really dumb, and in the absence of an AI trade veto system (which would be REALLY cool!!) I thought that I may just turn them off altogether in my next solo league and see how that works. The concern I have though is that the AI seems to draft ammys based on their score alone without looking at where its holes are (I think). So I'm thinking that there would have to be more than the usual draft rounds to try to give each team more depth to compensate. Also, a way to justify running this kinda league would be to have each team represent a different country, and edit all the guys they draft to be from that country. That way you could explain away a team being really stacked at a position with ML level guys stuck in AAA: the country simply has a lot of depth at the position, but still, these guys aren't about to play for another nation. __________________ A rake and a roustabout. Last edited by treedom; 04-18-2005 at 01:06 PM.

04-18-2005, 01:07 PM	#4
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	What got me thinking was a conversation I heard on ESPN radio. The host basicly said the NFL draft is so popular because all the NCAA football fans can follow where their favorite players end up. Then all the NFL fans can play GM and predict who should take who in the draft. I'm thinking more of a solo league rather than on-line. I think the game would have to contain a much deeper draft engine with tons more data and ways to gather such data. I guess it could almost end up being it's own game itself. I dunno, been so long since I've really gotten into a solo league I have all sorts of ideas swirling. I finally finish my BS in a few weeks. OOTP will be filling up much of my new free time. __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-18-2005, 01:10 PM	#5
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	treedom, The other issue I came up with right away was a team who is badly in need of a player at a particular position. I don't want the 18 yr old blue chip catcher being a backup in the big leagues just because there are only 2 catchers in the system. __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-18-2005, 01:30 PM	#7
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	Good ques Quest. In my mind I'm thinking you wouldn't control the day to day operations. Think of yourself as a true GM, not a manager or bench coach. You will want to check in on the squad on a say monthly basis to keep in touch with what the needs are but that's about it. It would be nice if you could keep up to date with the happenings in the feeder leagues that will eventually make up your draft class. I guess I am thinking of a completely seperate game. It could be done with OOTP but with the draft only being a small part of a much larger great game I don't think it would fully work. I may try it just the same just to see how it feels. __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-18-2005, 12:59 PM	#2
FamundaCheese Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 116	Interesting. I think what you might find is that eventually every team would have 2-3 guys who dominate. With trading on and financials on you would always have those team whose rosters are full of hasbeens and neverwillbes because they cant afford to sign high priced free agents or keep the talent that they have developed. If you decide to experiment please post your results as I would be interested in knowing what happens.

04-18-2005, 01:19 PM	#6
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	Could be interesting, but are there enough strategic decisions to make? If you're only making x personnel decisions per year, where x is the number of draft rounds, is it going to keep your interest? Or are you looking at more of a hands-off situation where you just watch how a certain number of AI teams deal with it? Obviously, this is a very personal consideration, but I think I'd get bored if all I was doing was drafting, promoting, demoting, and making out your lineups. I tend to enjoy trying to find the right time to flip a guy to another team to enhance a weakness more than anything else in the game. If all I was doing during the season was trying to manage from within I'd go nuts.

04-18-2005, 01:41 PM	#8
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	For me this would not be a problem, since I often like playing solo without actually running a team...and therefore without making any GM/manager decisions whatsoever. __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

04-19-2005, 05:00 AM	#10
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	I really like Treedom's idea of being prompted about AI trades so that you could veto those that are "not in the best interests of OOTP baseball." Guess we could call this Bowie Kuhn Mode or Commissioner Mode.