The WORST OUTING I HAVE EVER SEEN

bulldog55 · 04-18-2005, 02:47 PM

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Excelsior	IP	H	R	ER	BB	K	HR	PI	PS	ERA	RECORD
W. Williams 	1	10	16	16	8	0	0	81	30	20.52

This is Woody Williams, a 2.5-star starting pitcher in the mopup spot.

#1. Why was he left in the game to give up SIXTEEN runs?
#2. Why was he left in the game to give up TEN hits?
#3. Why was he left in the game to walk EIGHT batters?
#4. Why was he left in the game to make EIGHTY-ONE pitches?
#5. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!

FamundaCheese · 04-18-2005, 02:49 PM

KurtBevacqua · 04-18-2005, 02:51 PM

I almost got myself into one of these the other day. The game was already lost, my bullpen shot from heavy work the previous 2 games. With 2 outs I figured I'd let the guy ride it out, surely he'd get somebody out. Then 8 or 9 straight hits later, 6 more runs in (after having given up 4 before) and I succombed to bringing in another guy just to end the agony. Now that I think back I should have brought a reserve OF in instead of a tired reliever.

bulldog55 · 04-18-2005, 02:59 PM

I just downloaded the league file this morning and when I was checking my staff I saw Williams's ERA was up in the 17's. Odd, I thought, he's been pretty solid out of the pen so far this year. He must have gotten shelled. And then I checked the game log....

It's particularly aggravating that it was 7-5 when he came into the game and 23-5 when he left. If he's going to be left in til death do he depart the mound, it should only be when it is 23-5 before he takes the hill. Leaving a guy in to allow 16 runs in the bottom of the eighth inning in a two-run game is absolutely unacceptable. When it's your choice to leave him in that's one thing but this is a sim and therefore you have no control over your bullpen. Absurd.

Vezna31 · 04-18-2005, 03:20 PM

Did you check the settings? Maybe the "hook" setting is too high? In my modern historical league (1993), it is very rare to see a pitcher give up more than 6 runs in an inning before he's yanked and about 10 runs in deadball era games.

LoDo · 04-18-2005, 03:28 PM

OMG, that is the WORST OUTING I HAVE EVER SEEN.

congobeast · 04-18-2005, 03:35 PM

Wow, man. 18 baserunners, 3 outs. Not a good ratio.

Maybe everyone else on your staff got the bubonic plague?
I can't imagine any manager leaving someone in to get that roughed up. That's just obscene.

Bobble · 04-18-2005, 04:01 PM

Woody Williams quoted in the local paper the day before: "The management here doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground. I'm a CLOSER, Baby! These jackholes got me on freakin' mop-up duty! Believe that!? Mop-up! ME!". Williams' manager was only heard to say, "We'll see."

Vezna31 · 04-18-2005, 04:01 PM

I do remember one other time seeing something like this. I had a historical league with a deadball era team. Not only were there only like 6 or 7 pitchers on the team, but 2 were injured and the rest were all tired. In the boxscore, I saw the AI let the last pitcher throw over 200 pitches. I don't recall how many hits or runs were given up, but it was a good amount.

Vris · 04-18-2005, 04:10 PM

I've only seen that when there was no one else to pitch and everyone was tired. Tragic.

blackrussian · 04-18-2005, 04:50 PM

does the AI use position players as pitchers in blow outs often? at all? ive had some recent 20-1 type games in my solo lg recently. i mentioned one of those in another post that had a 5 inning stint from the closer in which he got lit up.

if its 7th inn or later and yr down 20 runs, why not use the backup infielder to throw a few pitches?

v'

Ktulu · 04-18-2005, 04:50 PM

The problem is that the AI has no way of handling a situation where everyone is tired. The AI will leave the same pitcher in until the game is over.

Riverdome · 04-18-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

Woody Williams quoted in the local paper the day before: "The management here doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground. I'm a CLOSER, Baby! These jackholes got me on freakin' mop-up duty! Believe that!? Mop-up! ME!". Williams' manager was only heard to say, "We'll see."

Actually laughing out loud in my office as I type. My vote for post of the day.

sebastian0622 · 04-18-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

The problem is that the AI has no way of handling a situation where everyone is tired. The AI will leave the same pitcher in until the game is over.

Yup. I was playing out a game and the comp left an MR in for over 135 pitches. He had a 2 in End, had worked the day before, and got tired after 30 pitches or so.

You notice IRL, good managers will call a fresh pitcher up from AAA if his bullpen has been heavily worked for 2-3 days in a row to prevent something like this happening...then they'll send him back down a few days later. I've seen the Braves do this a few times over the past few years.

It would be nice if something could be done about this problem, but I'm not sure exactly what the solution is.

rem · 04-18-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

#5. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!

bulldog55 · 04-18-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

IT WAS YOU

Malleus Dei · 04-18-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

The problem is that the AI has no way of handling a situation where everyone is tired. The AI will leave the same pitcher in until the game is over.

What would you have it do, put in Jose Canseco to pitch?

DerekJeter2 · 04-18-2005, 06:11 PM

That's not the worst outing I've ever seen. Kaz Ishii, in one of my leagues I was in, was only SP on the roster. He had Started 5 out of the last 7 games and gave up 37 Runs in 1 2/3 IP. 18 Walks, 30+ Hits. They also had only 2 RPs and had RPs playing Postitions (OF)

bulldog55 · 04-18-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

What would you have it do, put in Jose Canseco to pitch?

Tie game.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 04-18-2005, 06:50 PM

Personally, I think post #34 in this thread was the worst outing ever.

04-18-2005, 03:35 PM	#7
congobeast Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 469	Wow, man. 18 baserunners, 3 outs. Not a good ratio. Maybe everyone else on your staff got the bubonic plague? I can't imagine any manager leaving someone in to get that roughed up. That's just obscene. __________________ (The Boys of Summer) Cleveland Indians 1929-?? (All-Forum Baseball Dynasty) Pittsfield Hillies 2000-?? "I would walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." Pete Rose

04-18-2005, 04:01 PM	#8
Bobble Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: High and outside Posts: 4,036	Woody Williams quoted in the local paper the day before: "The management here doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground. I'm a CLOSER, Baby! These jackholes got me on freakin' mop-up duty! Believe that!? Mop-up! ME!". Williams' manager was only heard to say, "We'll see." __________________

04-18-2005, 04:01 PM	#9
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	I do remember one other time seeing something like this. I had a historical league with a deadball era team. Not only were there only like 6 or 7 pitchers on the team, but 2 were injured and the rest were all tired. In the boxscore, I saw the AI let the last pitcher throw over 200 pitches. I don't recall how many hits or runs were given up, but it was a good amount. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

04-18-2005, 04:10 PM	#10
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	I've only seen that when there was no one else to pitch and everyone was tired. Tragic. __________________ None Blog it.

04-18-2005, 04:50 PM	#12
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,710	The problem is that the AI has no way of handling a situation where everyone is tired. The AI will leave the same pitcher in until the game is over. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

04-18-2005, 02:47 PM	#1
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,481	The WORST OUTING I HAVE EVER SEEN Code: Excelsior IP H R ER BB K HR PI PS ERA RECORD W. Williams 1 10 16 16 8 0 0 81 30 20.52 This is Woody Williams, a 2.5-star starting pitcher in the mopup spot. #1. Why was he left in the game to give up SIXTEEN runs? #2. Why was he left in the game to give up TEN hits? #3. Why was he left in the game to walk EIGHT batters? #4. Why was he left in the game to make EIGHTY-ONE pitches? #5. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?! __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular. Last edited by bulldog55; 04-18-2005 at 02:48 PM.

04-18-2005, 02:49 PM	#2
FamundaCheese Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 116

04-18-2005, 02:51 PM	#3
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I almost got myself into one of these the other day. The game was already lost, my bullpen shot from heavy work the previous 2 games. With 2 outs I figured I'd let the guy ride it out, surely he'd get somebody out. Then 8 or 9 straight hits later, 6 more runs in (after having given up 4 before) and I succombed to bringing in another guy just to end the agony. Now that I think back I should have brought a reserve OF in instead of a tired reliever. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

04-18-2005, 02:59 PM	#4
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,481	I just downloaded the league file this morning and when I was checking my staff I saw Williams's ERA was up in the 17's. Odd, I thought, he's been pretty solid out of the pen so far this year. He must have gotten shelled. And then I checked the game log.... It's particularly aggravating that it was 7-5 when he came into the game and 23-5 when he left. If he's going to be left in til death do he depart the mound, it should only be when it is 23-5 before he takes the hill. Leaving a guy in to allow 16 runs in the bottom of the eighth inning in a two-run game is absolutely unacceptable. When it's your choice to leave him in that's one thing but this is a sim and therefore you have no control over your bullpen. Absurd. __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular.

04-18-2005, 03:20 PM	#5
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	Did you check the settings? Maybe the "hook" setting is too high? In my modern historical league (1993), it is very rare to see a pitcher give up more than 6 runs in an inning before he's yanked and about 10 runs in deadball era games. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

04-18-2005, 04:50 PM	#11
blackrussian All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 954	does the AI use position players as pitchers in blow outs often? at all? ive had some recent 20-1 type games in my solo lg recently. i mentioned one of those in another post that had a 5 inning stint from the closer in which he got lit up. if its 7th inn or later and yr down 20 runs, why not use the backup infielder to throw a few pitches? v'

04-18-2005, 06:11 PM	#18
DerekJeter2 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 144	That's not the worst outing I've ever seen. Kaz Ishii, in one of my leagues I was in, was only SP on the roster. He had Started 5 out of the last 7 games and gave up 37 Runs in 1 2/3 IP. 18 Walks, 30+ Hits. They also had only 2 RPs and had RPs playing Postitions (OF) __________________ GM of St. Louis Cardinals (93-69, 109-53, 115-47, 121-41) 2005 World Series Champs Toronto Blue Jays (95-67, 98-64, 114-48, 107-55, 117-45, 34-18) 2007-2011 AL East Champs 2008, 2011 AL Champs 2011 World Series Champs Career OOTP Win%: .613 (2500+ Wins), 14 Division Titles, 10 Best Records, 6 League Championships, 2 World Series Titles

04-18-2005, 06:50 PM	#20
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Personally, I think post #34 in this thread was the worst outing ever. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.