56 - A one-season record?

JDOldSchool · 04-11-2005, 06:29 PM

With Ichiro Suzuki's unbelievable tear lately (lately including last season), an interesting debate has begun. With a hit today, Ichiro's hitting streak stands at 20 games (including 13 from last season).

Elias says the 56-game streak has to be over one season, but why? Did Ichiro go hitless in any games that count? No. It's not a single-season record. It's not like someone could argue "If this counts, so should a two-year-long home run record." Eric Gagne's saves streak was counted over multiple seasons.

Ichiro is not even halfway there and this will likely never be an issue, but I'm ready to carry the "Ichiro is the real hitting streak record holder" banner if the time comes.

And yes, this should be a poll. I just don't feel like creating one. I prefer short answer/essay responses instead of multiple choice.

canadiancreed · 04-11-2005, 06:32 PM

personally I'd think doign it over two seasons woudl be a lot harder than during one. during one you'd have the momentioum, and you'd be "in the zone", so to speak

over the off-season your'e out of practice, your'e timing is off, and thus to continue right whrer you let off would be damn hard.

Spielman · 04-11-2005, 06:37 PM

Any 56 games in a row is fine. If he got to 50, got hurt, and got another 10 games in 2006, that'd count just as well.

Elias can go screw themselves.

-Spielman

Tib · 04-11-2005, 07:16 PM

As long as it's 57 games in a row in which he appeared I'd be fine with it.

Long_Long_Name · 04-11-2005, 07:17 PM

I don't think it counts anyway.

UngratefulDead · 04-11-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tib

As long as it's 57 games in a row in which he appeared I'd be fine with it.

What if he pulled a Barry Bonds 0 for 0 with four walks?

canadiancreed · 04-11-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

What if he pulled a Barry Bonds 0 for 0 with four walks?

I think they count it as games with valid plate appearances. Otherwise yuo coudl screw someone out of it very easily like that

UngratefulDead · 04-11-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

I think they count it as games with valid plate appearances. Otherwise yuo coudl screw someone out of it very easily like that

I know it doesn't officially, was curious if that's what Tib meant.

TheRockCT · 04-11-2005, 07:46 PM

I would also support a streak spanning over seasons - wouldn't see why it would matter at all, as the word "streak" to me implies something that occurs until it stops of its own accord.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-11-2005, 07:47 PM

I though Kenny Lofton broke the record a couple years back. It was being talked about in here.

TheRockCT · 04-11-2005, 07:55 PM

http://worldzone.net/sports/baseball/hitstreaks.html

This site just has Lofton having a career-high hit streak of 26 games - even if he had done it over multiple seasons, he would've needed another streak of 31+ in whatever other season (before or after) to do it.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-11-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRockCT

http://worldzone.net/sports/baseball/hitstreaks.html

This site just has Lofton having a career-high hit streak of 26 games - even if he had done it over multiple seasons, he would've needed another streak of 31+ in whatever other season (before or after) to do it.

Now I remember, it was Nomar. Both he and Lofton were chasing DiMaggio about the same time. That's what made 2003 so magical. Amazing year. They'll be writing about it for years to come.

Karros270 · 04-11-2005, 08:12 PM

What happens if I guys team makes the playoffs at the end of the season. Do you count those playoff games in the streak? If not and he doesn't get a hit in the playoff game then is the streak still active?

Long_Long_Name · 04-11-2005, 08:15 PM

Streaks are silly.

Jason Moyer · 04-11-2005, 08:19 PM

If Ichiro is hitting .399 at the end of the season, maybe can throw in the last month of 2004 to bump him over .400.

And really, didn't Matt Williams beat Maris record of 60 homeruns in 94 and 95?

UngratefulDead · 04-11-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

What happens if I guys team makes the playoffs at the end of the season. Do you count those playoff games in the streak? If not and he doesn't get a hit in the playoff game then is the streak still active?

Good question. Maybe this is why they have the one-season rule, though that still wouldn't clarify if I guy had a 50 game hitting streak heading into the playoffs.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 04-11-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spielman

Any 56 games in a row is fine. If he got to 50, got hurt, and got another 10 games in 2006, that'd count just as well.

Elias can go screw themselves.

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Long_Long_Name · 04-11-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

If Ichiro is hitting .399 at the end of the season, maybe can throw in the last month of 2004 to bump him over .400.

And really, didn't Matt Williams beat Maris record of 60 homeruns in 94 and 95?

The problem with the streak is that its parameters are variable. A single season is a single season, the only debatable point would be whether or not to include playoffs. A streak has no pretedetermined parameters.

treedom · 04-11-2005, 08:36 PM

Yeah, I too think that streaks transcend seasons. Look at Gherig's and Ripken's streaks. Those lasted longer than a season.

gmo · 04-11-2005, 08:58 PM

I'd think a big part of the deal is that most things are implied, if not stated, to be single season events. There is the possibility of drastic changes in the nature of the game or competition. The Ruth/Maris/McGwire/Bonds HR record is not most HRs in 162 (or 154, or 140) consecutive team games, it is within one season.

Remember when Hershiser needed that 10th inning against the Padres in the last game of the season in 1988 to get to the 59 consecutive shutout innings? If he had been stopped at 58, then got a shutout inning to start 1989, I would hope the streak would be celebrated and maybe get a line with the 58.2 (of Drysdale?) in the record book. Same way with Ichiro - if he hits in 14 last year then 45 to start this year it deserves major notice for sure, but it should not eliminate 56.

Though blocking some things to only being within a season may seem arbitrary, like Jason Moyer pointed out, I think you need to have lines somewhere.

04-11-2005, 06:29 PM	#1
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	56 - A one-season record? With Ichiro Suzuki's unbelievable tear lately (lately including last season), an interesting debate has begun. With a hit today, Ichiro's hitting streak stands at 20 games (including 13 from last season). Elias says the 56-game streak has to be over one season, but why? Did Ichiro go hitless in any games that count? No. It's not a single-season record. It's not like someone could argue "If this counts, so should a two-year-long home run record." Eric Gagne's saves streak was counted over multiple seasons. Ichiro is not even halfway there and this will likely never be an issue, but I'm ready to carry the "Ichiro is the real hitting streak record holder" banner if the time comes. And yes, this should be a poll. I just don't feel like creating one. I prefer short answer/essay responses instead of multiple choice.

04-11-2005, 06:32 PM	#2
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	personally I'd think doign it over two seasons woudl be a lot harder than during one. during one you'd have the momentioum, and you'd be "in the zone", so to speak over the off-season your'e out of practice, your'e timing is off, and thus to continue right whrer you let off would be damn hard. __________________ PT21 PT22

04-11-2005, 06:37 PM	#3
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	Any 56 games in a row is fine. If he got to 50, got hurt, and got another 10 games in 2006, that'd count just as well. Elias can go screw themselves. -Spielman __________________ Spielman was at one time the smartest person on these boards. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...martest+Person I don't believe in AnotherAlias.

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Tib All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Paso Robles, CA Posts: 995	As long as it's 57 games in a row in which he appeared I'd be fine with it. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...ad.php?t=64219

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Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I don't think it counts anyway. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

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TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	I would also support a streak spanning over seasons - wouldn't see why it would matter at all, as the word "streak" to me implies something that occurs until it stops of its own accord. __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA *NABA Champions: 2013

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I though Kenny Lofton broke the record a couple years back. It was being talked about in here.

04-11-2005, 07:55 PM	#11
TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	http://worldzone.net/sports/baseball/hitstreaks.html This site just has Lofton having a career-high hit streak of 26 games - even if he had done it over multiple seasons, he would've needed another streak of 31+ in whatever other season (before or after) to do it. Last edited by TheRockCT; 04-11-2005 at 07:56 PM.

04-11-2005, 08:12 PM	#13
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	What happens if I guys team makes the playoffs at the end of the season. Do you count those playoff games in the streak? If not and he doesn't get a hit in the playoff game then is the streak still active? __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

04-11-2005, 08:15 PM	#14
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	Streaks are silly. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

04-11-2005, 08:19 PM	#15
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,111	If Ichiro is hitting .399 at the end of the season, maybe can throw in the last month of 2004 to bump him over .400. And really, didn't Matt Williams beat Maris record of 60 homeruns in 94 and 95? __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

04-11-2005, 08:36 PM	#19
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	Yeah, I too think that streaks transcend seasons. Look at Gherig's and Ripken's streaks. Those lasted longer than a season. __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

04-11-2005, 08:58 PM	#20
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 3,457	I'd think a big part of the deal is that most things are implied, if not stated, to be single season events. There is the possibility of drastic changes in the nature of the game or competition. The Ruth/Maris/McGwire/Bonds HR record is not most HRs in 162 (or 154, or 140) consecutive team games, it is within one season. Remember when Hershiser needed that 10th inning against the Padres in the last game of the season in 1988 to get to the 59 consecutive shutout innings? If he had been stopped at 58, then got a shutout inning to start 1989, I would hope the streak would be celebrated and maybe get a line with the 58.2 (of Drysdale?) in the record book. Same way with Ichiro - if he hits in 14 last year then 45 to start this year it deserves major notice for sure, but it should not eliminate 56. Though blocking some things to only being within a season may seem arbitrary, like Jason Moyer pointed out, I think you need to have lines somewhere.