Somebody has to say it: Francona is worse than Little

fat dude · 07-16-2004, 12:55 PM

This guy is really sucking things up. This may be blasphemy, but I'd rather still have Grady than this guy. The Phillie folks were right.

EDIT: My pathetic spelling abilities strike again.

clutch · 07-16-2004, 12:56 PM

Hey Phillie Phans know how bad Francona blows.

Jason Moyer · 07-16-2004, 01:09 PM

What's he doing wrong?

Most of the complaints I've read about him involve his handling of the bullpen, and he's the only manager in baseball who actually seems to have a clue in that area. Using his closer in tied games or games where the Sox are losing by 1-2 runs, i.e. when he's most valuable.

Karros270 · 07-16-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch

Hey Phillie Phans know how bad Francona blows.

I don't know, Francona seems pretty popular with the New York fans.

mlyons · 07-16-2004, 01:28 PM

From what I've heard, he's less a manager than a cheerleader. Epstein dictates the lineups and rotation, and he's not allowed to bunt or steal within that system, so what does he actually do?

draven085 · 07-16-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

What's he doing wrong?

Most of the complaints I've read about him involve his handling of the bullpen, and he's the only manager in baseball who actually seems to have a clue in that area. Using his closer in tied games or games where the Sox are losing by 1-2 runs, i.e. when he's most valuable.

It seems to me that Francona is the anti-Jimy Williams. He has a very slow hook with his starters, and especially with Derek "I have issues" Lowe. I think he does an ok job with the bullpen once he gets into it, but he needs to get there a bit sooner.

andymac · 07-16-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Using his closer in tied games or games where the Sox are losing by 1-2 runs, i.e. when he's most valuable.

Wait a second...this is legal???

fat dude · 07-16-2004, 01:45 PM

Pedro had 7 days rest for last night. And he could have pitched against the Yankees. Instead we start the second half with Lowe (and get shelled), and Pedro misses the Yankees. The worst part is his response when asked about this. "OK, so what's your point?" What a butt.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-08-2005, 12:44 PM

The ever shifting public view of baseball managers.

Except I will say that I'm glad Grady Little didn't come to the Phillies.

KurtBevacqua · 04-08-2005, 01:21 PM

My faith in the ability of Red Sox fans to find something to moan about, despite finally winning a World Series, has been restored.

Joshv02 · 04-08-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

My faith in the ability of Red Sox fans to find something to moan about, despite finally winning a World Series, has been restored.

Always remember that GR is the great bumper!

Akrobat · 04-08-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

My faith in the ability of Red Sox fans to find something to moan about, despite finally winning a World Series, has been restored.

You do realize this thread was made in July of last year, right?

KurtBevacqua · 04-08-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Akrobat

You do realize this thread was made in July of last year, right?

Damn, I still have nothing to believe in.

IatricSB · 04-08-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Damn, I still have nothing to believe in.

Well, you could believe in Red Sox fans inability to see a good thing. The guy they ripped in July took them to the promised land in October.

KurtBevacqua · 04-08-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

Well, you could believe in Red Sox fans inability to see a good thing. The guy they ripped in July took them to the promised land in October.

At least now I can go on watch for how long a team that replaced Pedro with Tub-o-Goo Wells can go before fans and reporters start calling for Francona's head.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-08-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

Well, you could believe in Red Sox fans inability to see a good thing. The guy they ripped in July took them to the promised land in October.

It took Francona until November of last year.

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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	What's he doing wrong? Most of the complaints I've read about him involve his handling of the bullpen, and he's the only manager in baseball who actually seems to have a clue in that area. Using his closer in tied games or games where the Sox are losing by 1-2 runs, i.e. when he's most valuable. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

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KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	My faith in the ability of Red Sox fans to find something to moan about, despite finally winning a World Series, has been restored. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

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mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	From what I've heard, he's less a manager than a cheerleader. Epstein dictates the lineups and rotation, and he's not allowed to bunt or steal within that system, so what does he actually do?

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fat dude Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 392	Pedro had 7 days rest for last night. And he could have pitched against the Yankees. Instead we start the second half with Lowe (and get shelled), and Pedro misses the Yankees. The worst part is his response when asked about this. "OK, so what's your point?" What a butt.

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The ever shifting public view of baseball managers. Except I will say that I'm glad Grady Little didn't come to the Phillies.