Would You Call Him Up?

Hotwheelz · 03-17-2005, 06:12 AM

I have an outfielder, Shane Costa, sitting in Triple-A. Currently this season he is hitting .326 with 2 homeruns and 10 RBI. In the last 3 seasons he has had an OPS of .803, .816, and .915 with homerun totals of 27, 30 and 2 this season so far.

His ratings look like this with current rating first and talent second.

5 (7)
6 (8)
5 (5)
4 (10)
6 (6)

I dont want to stunt his development but he is 24 and I think he would be at least average in the majors. He would be getting a starting job in LF so he would not be a backup player.

So what do you think? Do you call him up?

jazzrack · 03-17-2005, 07:27 AM

I would think you would have a bigger chance of stunting his development by leaving him in the minors at this point.

Assuming you are going to get him plenty of AB's.

DerekJeter2 · 03-17-2005, 08:37 AM

5, 6, 5, 4, 6 Is not quite ready. I would leave him in Triple-A until he gets developed more. I don't really value Minor-League Stats that much, I call up players on their development. I'm thinking a September call-up and a starting job the next year for him.

Cooker · 03-17-2005, 11:15 AM

My general rule of thumb (but I use a scale of 1-100) is not to call up a prospect till he at least has reached 50 in his contact rating. Given the fact that you use a 1-10 scale, I'd say you're right on the cusp. So I think it depends on who he'd be replacing. If your existing LF is not much better, I'd call him up and see what happens.

Sometimes a call up actually increases a prospect's ratings. I seriously doubt you'll hurt him by calling him up at 24.

canadiancreed · 03-17-2005, 11:36 AM

myself i'm a little adventerous in this regard, calling up guys with 5+ contact or 4 if they have developed eye or power. this guys looks ready now, brign him up and let him show you what he can do

renn · 03-17-2005, 11:59 AM

My rule of thumb is if the OPS is above .800 I promote the player to the next level to see what he can do. This guy has been above .800 for three years so I would take a chance and bring him up to the ML ballclub. I'd work him into the lineup slowly, maybe in a platoon situation and as a PH, until he gets a little major league experience. Just make sure he has a minor league option left in case you have to demote him if his performance is subpar.

gubaru · 03-17-2005, 12:08 PM

I'd call him up. He should be able to put up roughly league average stats once he adjusts to majors. Unless he starts getting completely out-classed, he shouldn't run into any development problems.

Mike Donlin · 03-17-2005, 01:14 PM

It depends on what time of the year it is, who he would be replacing, and what position in the standings you're at. If you're in a pennant race and the guy he would replace is about comparable, I would stick with the veteran. (Why let the prospect accrue service time when you're already paying someone to play his position?) But if you're out of the race or he's significantly better than your current LF (hard to imagine since he looks about replacement level), I'd call him up and let him develop for next year. But I don't think you'll hurt him keeping him in the minors.

KurtBevacqua · 03-17-2005, 01:50 PM

If he's better than the current guy, yes. If not, no, unless the current guy is expensive and you are looking to dump his contract off. Then it might be cost effective to go with the prospect.

Vezna31 · 03-17-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooker

My general rule of thumb (but I use a scale of 1-100) is not to call up a prospect till he at least has reached 50 in his contact rating. Given the fact that you use a 1-10 scale, I'd say you're right on the cusp. So I think it depends on who he'd be replacing. If your existing LF is not much better, I'd call him up and see what happens.

Sometimes a call up actually increases a prospect's ratings. I seriously doubt you'll hurt him by calling him up at 24.

I agree. Very rarely will I call up guys with ratings below 50 for contact on the 1-100 scale unless I need him to be a replacement. I also look for at least 50 in control and movement for young pitchers too before a call-up.

Hotwheelz · 03-19-2005, 12:52 AM

Wow this is a tough decision. Costa is tearing up AAA with a line of .340/.435/.547 and an OPS of .983. The only thing that is holding me back is the fact that he is out of options. He has never played in the majors though so I guess he has played 6 seasons in the minors?

Anonymous Ghost · 03-19-2005, 01:01 AM

I'd call him up unless he'd be taking the spot of someone integral to your offense.

Hotwheelz · 03-19-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous Ghost

I'd call him up unless he'd be taking the spot of someone integral to your offense.

Well my plan was to move Rob Mackowiak out of rightfield and give the job to Shane Costa. Last season Mackowiak had a decent season hitting .255 with 18 homeruns and 69 RBI but was off to a slow start this year. Problem is he has heated up and is now hitting .294 with 3 homeruns and 10 RBI.

He does play a few positions so I can get him in the lineup that way while giving the job to Costa. Besides, I have hit Mackowiak lower in the order which seems to be the reason he has heated up. So losing his production there sholdnt hurt much if Costa struggles.

Gil Thorp · 03-19-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

So what do you think? Do you call him up?

No. Play hard to get and wait for him to call you.

Hotwheelz · 03-20-2005, 02:16 AM

Just to give you a little update on Costa, he is hitting .355/.429/.710 with a 1.138 OPS in 31 AB's. He has 3 homeruns and 7 RBI and has since been moved up to the #2 slot in the lineup.

The Interloper · 03-21-2005, 08:40 AM

Definitely call that man up now!

EDIT: Oops. I shoulda read the whole thread.

Hotwheelz · 03-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Another update on Costa. In 82 at bats this season he is hitting .293/.330/.463 with a .798 OPS. He has 3 homeruns and 13 RBI.

Jason · 03-23-2005, 08:41 PM

I'd keep him at AAA for one more year and then let the clock start running on the rookie contract next year.

Hotwheelz · 03-23-2005, 10:13 PM

Would that work even if he has 80 or so AB's right now?

Hotwheelz · 03-25-2005, 12:39 PM

Even if that would work I just realized that he is out of options. Which sucks because he is down to a .255/.301/.440 line and I think he could use a bit more time in Omaha. Oh well.

03-17-2005, 06:12 AM	#1
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Would You Call Him Up? I have an outfielder, Shane Costa, sitting in Triple-A. Currently this season he is hitting .326 with 2 homeruns and 10 RBI. In the last 3 seasons he has had an OPS of .803, .816, and .915 with homerun totals of 27, 30 and 2 this season so far. His ratings look like this with current rating first and talent second. 5 (7) 6 (8) 5 (5) 4 (10) 6 (6) I dont want to stunt his development but he is 24 and I think he would be at least average in the majors. He would be getting a starting job in LF so he would not be a backup player. So what do you think? Do you call him up? __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

03-17-2005, 08:37 AM	#3
DerekJeter2 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 144	5, 6, 5, 4, 6 Is not quite ready. I would leave him in Triple-A until he gets developed more. I don't really value Minor-League Stats that much, I call up players on their development. I'm thinking a September call-up and a starting job the next year for him. __________________ GM of St. Louis Cardinals (93-69, 109-53, 115-47, 121-41) 2005 World Series Champs Toronto Blue Jays (95-67, 98-64, 114-48, 107-55, 117-45, 34-18) 2007-2011 AL East Champs 2008, 2011 AL Champs 2011 World Series Champs Career OOTP Win%: .613 (2500+ Wins), 14 Division Titles, 10 Best Records, 6 League Championships, 2 World Series Titles

03-17-2005, 11:36 AM	#5
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	myself i'm a little adventerous in this regard, calling up guys with 5+ contact or 4 if they have developed eye or power. this guys looks ready now, brign him up and let him show you what he can do __________________ PT21 PT22

03-17-2005, 01:50 PM	#9
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	If he's better than the current guy, yes. If not, no, unless the current guy is expensive and you are looking to dump his contract off. Then it might be cost effective to go with the prospect. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

03-19-2005, 12:52 AM	#11
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Wow this is a tough decision. Costa is tearing up AAA with a line of .340/.435/.547 and an OPS of .983. The only thing that is holding me back is the fact that he is out of options. He has never played in the majors though so I guess he has played 6 seasons in the minors? __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

03-17-2005, 07:27 AM	#2
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	I would think you would have a bigger chance of stunting his development by leaving him in the minors at this point. Assuming you are going to get him plenty of AB's. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

03-17-2005, 11:15 AM	#4
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	My general rule of thumb (but I use a scale of 1-100) is not to call up a prospect till he at least has reached 50 in his contact rating. Given the fact that you use a 1-10 scale, I'd say you're right on the cusp. So I think it depends on who he'd be replacing. If your existing LF is not much better, I'd call him up and see what happens. Sometimes a call up actually increases a prospect's ratings. I seriously doubt you'll hurt him by calling him up at 24.

03-17-2005, 11:59 AM	#6
renn Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 89	My rule of thumb is if the OPS is above .800 I promote the player to the next level to see what he can do. This guy has been above .800 for three years so I would take a chance and bring him up to the ML ballclub. I'd work him into the lineup slowly, maybe in a platoon situation and as a PH, until he gets a little major league experience. Just make sure he has a minor league option left in case you have to demote him if his performance is subpar.

03-17-2005, 12:08 PM	#7
gubaru Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 326	I'd call him up. He should be able to put up roughly league average stats once he adjusts to majors. Unless he starts getting completely out-classed, he shouldn't run into any development problems.

03-17-2005, 01:14 PM	#8
Mike Donlin All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Life, friends, is boring. Posts: 840	It depends on what time of the year it is, who he would be replacing, and what position in the standings you're at. If you're in a pennant race and the guy he would replace is about comparable, I would stick with the veteran. (Why let the prospect accrue service time when you're already paying someone to play his position?) But if you're out of the race or he's significantly better than your current LF (hard to imagine since he looks about replacement level), I'd call him up and let him develop for next year. But I don't think you'll hurt him keeping him in the minors.

03-19-2005, 01:01 AM	#12
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	I'd call him up unless he'd be taking the spot of someone integral to your offense.

03-20-2005, 02:16 AM	#15
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Just to give you a little update on Costa, he is hitting .355/.429/.710 with a 1.138 OPS in 31 AB's. He has 3 homeruns and 7 RBI and has since been moved up to the #2 slot in the lineup. __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

03-21-2005, 08:40 AM	#16
The Interloper Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The dark recesses of the human mind Posts: 147	Definitely call that man up now! EDIT: Oops. I shoulda read the whole thread.

03-23-2005, 04:48 PM	#17
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Another update on Costa. In 82 at bats this season he is hitting .293/.330/.463 with a .798 OPS. He has 3 homeruns and 13 RBI. __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

03-23-2005, 08:41 PM	#18
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	I'd keep him at AAA for one more year and then let the clock start running on the rookie contract next year.

03-23-2005, 10:13 PM	#19
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Would that work even if he has 80 or so AB's right now? __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

03-25-2005, 12:39 PM	#20
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Even if that would work I just realized that he is out of options. Which sucks because he is down to a .255/.301/.440 line and I think he could use a bit more time in Omaha. Oh well. __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks