Why? oh why?

ChrisH · 10-05-2004, 04:51 AM

Does OOTP6 (6.03) refuse to function like a reasonable program?

Situation, part way into a season a team had subitted a it's exports but had not completed a lineup correctly (in this case LH+DH had no allocated DH nor one in the depth charts).
Simulating the week when it got to using this teams lineup the game locks solid and you have to kill the task to get the program back. Once you eventually manually correct the issue, which can take a few hours to work out, the data files end up completely corrupted.

Solution?
Easy make the game actually check that the lineups are actually filled out before it tries and sims the game. If they are not get the sim interputed telling you which team has a problem with the lineup and which lineup. That way no corruption should occur.

If this is already in there then please let me know how to turn this on?
If not then why? it's a terrible situation that aprogram just locks solid over such a simple error a person can make and even worse that it corrupts the files while it's at it.

jmm8356 · 10-05-2004, 09:19 AM

Amen. Why a game in its sixth version does not have "idiot checks" like this is beyond me.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-05-2004, 09:34 AM

Well, it would certainly lighten my work load

FWIW- DMB(Diamond Mind Baseball-a game many view as the gold standard for text sims) doesn't have this either as I can attest to having the game crash/lockup on me several times this week because a lineup was submitted w/o a player listed at 1B.

jaxmagicman · 10-05-2004, 10:14 AM

What is wrong with checking yourself? You can even have fun with it, if a team doesn't have it set right, then fine them.

ChrisH · 10-05-2004, 02:04 PM

I shouldn't have to! I am running a 28 team league here.

I presume you have no idea on the amount of time it would take to check 9 line-ups a team are correct?!! (4 batting, 4 depth chart and 1 pitching)

The game should deal with such fundamentals itself.

Steve can you please bring this to Marcus' attention and see if he's willing to implement a fix? not necessarily in the next patch but in the one after?

DaveHorn · 10-05-2004, 02:18 PM

It would be a near impossible task for an online commish of a league of any size to check every teams import. In addition, you can look and look and never see what is wrong. As soon as you auto, boom, problem is gone.

I'd love to see this get fixed someday. Until then my advice is to ALWAYS backup before you sim a game. Then you can immediately be back where you started without any corruption. After, of course, you auto the offending teams depth/lineup.

DMB is just a historical simulator isn't it? It not really in the same ballpark as OOTP right?

jaxmagicman - old avatar - R.I.P.
I just saw you changed it. I'm going to miss her.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-05-2004, 03:35 PM

It is a game based on replaying the most recent season in most cases, it is not a game that allows for full baseball universe creation, etc as OOTP. But "for what it does" it does fairly well, yet is not perfect as some would have you believe.

DaveHorn · 10-05-2004, 03:45 PM

Thanks Steve, that's what I thought. I've got no interest in that. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

Anachronism · 10-06-2004, 09:06 AM

I can back Steve up on that... Diamond Mind is a good single season sim... and if you tie your real league to the majors (in terms of player retirement etc..) then is does work quite well... but there is nothing out there that matches OOTP....

ChrisH · 10-07-2004, 10:13 AM

Since it seems to have been missed above, I'll ask again.

Steve can you please bring this to Marcus' attention and see if he's willing to implement a fix? not necessarily in the next patch but in the one after?

Markus Heinsohn · 10-07-2004, 11:37 AM

Actually, there is error checking here... I just tried it, and it works very well here. I left open all sorts of combination of spots both in the lineup and the depth charts... and it didn't crash but inserted sub players fine. Can you send me a league file where this happened, and tell me the team?

tim_uwrf · 10-07-2004, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisH

... Marcus' ...

Who's Marcus?

SandMan · 10-07-2004, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

It is a game based on replaying the most recent season in most cases, it is not a game that allows for full baseball universe creation, etc as OOTP. But "for what it does" it does fairly well, yet is not perfect as some would have you believe.

I have played PTP/DMB since 1987 when the first computerized version came out. I play OOTP these days, sometimes PURESIM because I like playing with the fictional players. Personally if I were to play with actual players I find the engine with PTP 8.0 very good. I simply quit playing PTP after I purchased 40 season disks and realized that it was getting to be an expensive hobby, and it took to long to make my own disks. PTP/DMB actually duplicate seasons well if you play replays....

Puresim was my favorite until version 5.0 of OOTP and then 6.0. I think that Both games are very good. With Puresim it was fun reading about the development of the game prior to its initial release (back when I had OOTP2). But, I wished there were more utilities for the game. Now OOTP is very good but what sets it ahead of PURESIM is that there are many 3rd party utilities that adds so much to the game. I think without CATOBASE I would probably play Puresim more, now it is 5% PURESIM, 95% OOTP....

ChrisH · 10-07-2004, 02:23 PM

A spelling mistake sorry.

Ah, the sub players will get inserted. In this case though the line-up itself was wrong, and the depth charts had no coverage so that could well contribute to the issue.

Markus, certainly can send you the league files, and the imports to import into the game along with letting you know exactly which team caused the problem. If you pm me somehwere to send them I'll send them as soon as possible.

DaveHorn · 10-07-2004, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Actually, there is error checking here... I just tried it, and it works very well here. I left open all sorts of combination of spots both in the lineup and the depth charts... and it didn't crash but inserted sub players fine. Can you send me a league file where this happened, and tell me the team?

Markus - Is the error checking code new for v6? Or if I have a condition that generates a crash+corruption in v5 would that be of equal interest to you? I've seen this occur about 4 times in my v5 league. I could make a mental note to save the league file for you to take a peak at it the next time it occurs if you'd like.

ChrisH · 10-08-2004, 10:43 AM

I've not heard back yet from Markus so at the moment I've got the files ready but nowhere to send them to.

DaveHorn · 10-08-2004, 01:43 PM

I would put the league file on your server and PM Markus the link to the file with a link to this thread.

ChrisH · 10-11-2004, 02:35 PM

Dave, I can't do that, I dont have room just lying about on servers for extra stuff that is effectively a waste of space to me. Markus essentially said he'd provide an email address, as I don't know of anyother way to send him the datafiles.

It's also getting beyond a joke as it's happened again except this time 4 teams where effected. A decent error check and game interruption routine are completely missing from this game. They need to be implemented ASAP, and should have been there from version 1, why on such a basic error and fall over the game crashes out and corrupts everything is beyond me.

jmm8356 · 10-11-2004, 03:08 PM

You could try www.sendthefile.com ... I didn't have much luck with it recently, but you might fare better.

EDIT: Whoops... it's www.sendthisfile.com ... my bad.

DaveHorn · 10-11-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisH

Dave, I can't do that, I dont have room just lying about on servers for extra stuff that is effectively a waste of space to me. Markus essentially said he'd provide an email address, as I don't know of anyother way to send him the datafiles.

A compressed league file, removing all the unneccessary crap, is less than 5MBs. If you don't have 5 spare megs on your server than you better start looking somewhere else for a host, because your league won't last very long on that server as it generates more and more history requiring more and more space.

10-05-2004, 04:51 AM	#1
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Why? oh why? Does OOTP6 (6.03) refuse to function like a reasonable program? Situation, part way into a season a team had subitted a it's exports but had not completed a lineup correctly (in this case LH+DH had no allocated DH nor one in the depth charts). Simulating the week when it got to using this teams lineup the game locks solid and you have to kill the task to get the program back. Once you eventually manually correct the issue, which can take a few hours to work out, the data files end up completely corrupted. Solution? Easy make the game actually check that the lineups are actually filled out before it tries and sims the game. If they are not get the sim interputed telling you which team has a problem with the lineup and which lineup. That way no corruption should occur. If this is already in there then please let me know how to turn this on? If not then why? it's a terrible situation that aprogram just locks solid over such a simple error a person can make and even worse that it corrupts the files while it's at it. __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-05-2004, 09:19 AM	#2
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	Amen. Why a game in its sixth version does not have "idiot checks" like this is beyond me. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

10-05-2004, 09:34 AM	#3
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Well, it would certainly lighten my work load FWIW- DMB(Diamond Mind Baseball-a game many view as the gold standard for text sims) doesn't have this either as I can attest to having the game crash/lockup on me several times this week because a lineup was submitted w/o a player listed at 1B. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-05-2004, 10:14 AM	#4
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	What is wrong with checking yourself? You can even have fun with it, if a team doesn't have it set right, then fine them. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

10-05-2004, 02:04 PM	#5
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	I shouldn't have to! I am running a 28 team league here. I presume you have no idea on the amount of time it would take to check 9 line-ups a team are correct?!! (4 batting, 4 depth chart and 1 pitching) The game should deal with such fundamentals itself. Steve can you please bring this to Marcus' attention and see if he's willing to implement a fix? not necessarily in the next patch but in the one after? __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-05-2004, 02:18 PM	#6
DaveHorn All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,146	It would be a near impossible task for an online commish of a league of any size to check every teams import. In addition, you can look and look and never see what is wrong. As soon as you auto, boom, problem is gone. I'd love to see this get fixed someday. Until then my advice is to ALWAYS backup before you sim a game. Then you can immediately be back where you started without any corruption. After, of course, you auto the offending teams depth/lineup. DMB is just a historical simulator isn't it? It not really in the same ballpark as OOTP right? jaxmagicman - old avatar - R.I.P. I just saw you changed it. I'm going to miss her. __________________ Dave HFTC Commish

10-05-2004, 03:35 PM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	It is a game based on replaying the most recent season in most cases, it is not a game that allows for full baseball universe creation, etc as OOTP. But "for what it does" it does fairly well, yet is not perfect as some would have you believe. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

10-05-2004, 03:45 PM	#8
DaveHorn All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,146	Thanks Steve, that's what I thought. I've got no interest in that. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. __________________ Dave HFTC Commish

10-06-2004, 09:06 AM	#9
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	I can back Steve up on that... Diamond Mind is a good single season sim... and if you tie your real league to the majors (in terms of player retirement etc..) then is does work quite well... but there is nothing out there that matches OOTP.... __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..."

10-07-2004, 10:13 AM	#10
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Since it seems to have been missed above, I'll ask again. Steve can you please bring this to Marcus' attention and see if he's willing to implement a fix? not necessarily in the next patch but in the one after? __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-07-2004, 11:37 AM	#11
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	Actually, there is error checking here... I just tried it, and it works very well here. I left open all sorts of combination of spots both in the lineup and the depth charts... and it didn't crash but inserted sub players fine. Can you send me a league file where this happened, and tell me the team?

10-07-2004, 02:23 PM	#14
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	A spelling mistake sorry. Ah, the sub players will get inserted. In this case though the line-up itself was wrong, and the depth charts had no coverage so that could well contribute to the issue. Markus, certainly can send you the league files, and the imports to import into the game along with letting you know exactly which team caused the problem. If you pm me somehwere to send them I'll send them as soon as possible. __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-08-2004, 10:43 AM	#16
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	I've not heard back yet from Markus so at the moment I've got the files ready but nowhere to send them to. __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-08-2004, 01:43 PM	#17
DaveHorn All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,146	I would put the league file on your server and PM Markus the link to the file with a link to this thread. __________________ Dave HFTC Commish

10-11-2004, 02:35 PM	#18
ChrisH Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Dave, I can't do that, I dont have room just lying about on servers for extra stuff that is effectively a waste of space to me. Markus essentially said he'd provide an email address, as I don't know of anyother way to send him the datafiles. It's also getting beyond a joke as it's happened again except this time 4 teams where effected. A decent error check and game interruption routine are completely missing from this game. They need to be implemented ASAP, and should have been there from version 1, why on such a basic error and fall over the game crashes out and corrupts everything is beyond me. __________________ Chris UKBL - For a fun time

10-11-2004, 03:08 PM	#19
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	You could try www.sendthefile.com ... I didn't have much luck with it recently, but you might fare better. EDIT: Whoops... it's www.sendthisfile.com ... my bad. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )