Converting MR to SP during ST

deh34 · 01-13-2005, 09:14 AM

I've searched for an answer to this but can't quite seem to find one...

It's spring training, and I'd like to convert an MR to an SP. It seems that OOTP6 spring training still lets me take 5 spring training points and make him "learn a new role" by which I can choose SP, MR or CL. Seeing as how there is only one endurance in OOTP6, is this the proper way to convert a guy? Or should I just increase stamina manually without "learning a new role?"

Anonymous Ghost · 01-13-2005, 10:06 AM

Yeah, don't waste 5 development points on learning new roles for pitchers. Put them toward increasing stamina and then redesignate the guy as a starter if he improves enough. If he doesn't improve enough to be a starter, then you have a reliever who's capable of logging some more innings.

What's his current durability rating? If its less than 4 or 5, then you probably won't get him to a point where he'd be durable enough to be a worthwhile starter.

gma · 01-13-2005, 10:54 AM

What about the reverse? I have an SP prospect with high talent levels, and good control, but his stuff (rating of 2, talent of 7) has never panned out, and he's just now turned 25 (in May). Assuming he doesn't randomly make the leap this year, would it make sense to pull all his points out of stamina (it's 6 right now) and see if I can get enough of a bump in stuff to make him an effective reliever?

Bald Eagles · 01-13-2005, 11:14 AM

The learning new roles for pitcher is a rollover from v5 when the players had a pitching endurance for SP and MR/CL seperately. Putting points into this pot would attempt to give them a rating in the other endurance category. This is a moot point in v6 as it's a combined scale.

In v6, I use my own rule for the endurance rating. If the pitcher has an endurance rating of 3, I use him in the swingman role (both in the rotation and in the pen). Players with higher endurance ratings but poor stuff could be relievers. These men are important for the long relief role, if the starter gets pulled early due to injury or a bad outing.

If I have the space available in the minors, I promote prospects with a 3 endurance rating to the rotation if there's room (over the "ghost" players). If I have 5 SPs at that level already, then they stay in the pen. The theory is that SPs with a 3 can easily throw 5 or 6 innings.

disposableheros · 01-13-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gma

What about the reverse? I have an SP prospect with high talent levels, and good control, but his stuff (rating of 2, talent of 7) has never panned out, and he's just now turned 25 (in May). Assuming he doesn't randomly make the leap this year, would it make sense to pull all his points out of stamina (it's 6 right now) and see if I can get enough of a bump in stuff to make him an effective reliever?

thats what i do. i usually pull all stamina points from guys with 4-6 endurance, allocate them elsewhere and make them MR. and if the guy is my closer, i pull all stamina when he has higher than 2 endurance.

Hammer · 01-14-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gma

What about the reverse? I have an SP prospect with high talent levels, and good control, but his stuff (rating of 2, talent of 7) has never panned out, and he's just now turned 25 (in May). Assuming he doesn't randomly make the leap this year, would it make sense to pull all his points out of stamina (it's 6 right now) and see if I can get enough of a bump in stuff to make him an effective reliever?

Where is this player in your system? Is he in the minors or in the majors. If he is in the minors he still has time to develop into a good starter, with him still being only 25. I know I read somewhere that players espically pitchers develop better pitching in the majors. So check out what the minor league advice says, if it says he deserves a shot and you have a spot for him try him out. Id say keep him as a starter until he is 27 or 28, if he isn't in the majors by then as a starter then maybe you can consider him to a new role or try trading him for a veteran or prospects.

01-13-2005, 09:14 AM	#1
deh34 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 120	Converting MR to SP during ST I've searched for an answer to this but can't quite seem to find one... It's spring training, and I'd like to convert an MR to an SP. It seems that OOTP6 spring training still lets me take 5 spring training points and make him "learn a new role" by which I can choose SP, MR or CL. Seeing as how there is only one endurance in OOTP6, is this the proper way to convert a guy? Or should I just increase stamina manually without "learning a new role?"

01-13-2005, 10:06 AM	#2
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	Yeah, don't waste 5 development points on learning new roles for pitchers. Put them toward increasing stamina and then redesignate the guy as a starter if he improves enough. If he doesn't improve enough to be a starter, then you have a reliever who's capable of logging some more innings. What's his current durability rating? If its less than 4 or 5, then you probably won't get him to a point where he'd be durable enough to be a worthwhile starter.

01-13-2005, 10:54 AM	#3
gma Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1	What about the reverse? I have an SP prospect with high talent levels, and good control, but his stuff (rating of 2, talent of 7) has never panned out, and he's just now turned 25 (in May). Assuming he doesn't randomly make the leap this year, would it make sense to pull all his points out of stamina (it's 6 right now) and see if I can get enough of a bump in stuff to make him an effective reliever?

01-13-2005, 11:14 AM	#4
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	The learning new roles for pitcher is a rollover from v5 when the players had a pitching endurance for SP and MR/CL seperately. Putting points into this pot would attempt to give them a rating in the other endurance category. This is a moot point in v6 as it's a combined scale. In v6, I use my own rule for the endurance rating. If the pitcher has an endurance rating of 3, I use him in the swingman role (both in the rotation and in the pen). Players with higher endurance ratings but poor stuff could be relievers. These men are important for the long relief role, if the starter gets pulled early due to injury or a bad outing. If I have the space available in the minors, I promote prospects with a 3 endurance rating to the rotation if there's room (over the "ghost" players). If I have 5 SPs at that level already, then they stay in the pen. The theory is that SPs with a 3 can easily throw 5 or 6 innings.