Relief Cy Young?

[MattStewNYY]

Is it possible for a reliever/closer to win the Cy Young?

[Steve Kuffrey]

I've never seen it but you can always make the award changes as you see fit.

[ctorg]

I've never seen it happen, but others have claimed to. The best shot is probably if you have a long reliever, get him 200 innings, and he gets 20 wins.

[SandMan]

Only players that meet the 162 innings pitched seem to be able to win the CY YOUNG. I did have a reliever that had 8 starts with a 17-4, 22saves, 2.04 record win the award but the player had 171 IP. The funny thing was this guy was not my closer, but the first slot setup man.....


Just checked 110 seasons of an older league (OOTP5). No closers or reliever won the award. So I would still guess that it is based on the 162 IP requirement.

[rogmax11]

Excuse me? Steve, did you say what I thought you said? How does one change Award winners in this game? Although I prebought this game, Ive never d/led the program since my laptop died, so have no first-hand experience with V.6 to rely on, but I was under the impression that one could not change the program selections for awards or AS picks. Am I in error? And if so, would you shed light on this? Thanks, r.

[ctorg]

I'd love to see the game incorporate a way of dealing better with reliever usage, a way to say "I want relievers to be used as they were in the 1970s, not the 2000s". Not just frequency of use, but when they are used. Modern day usage dictates that your best reliever should be brought in in a save situation. Optimal usage dictates that your best reliever should be brought in when you are tied or up by a run. The game uses the former strategy, but I'd like it to use the latter, which would get relievers more innings and allow them to possibly get enough innings to win an award.

[abailey3313]

Originally Posted by ctorg

I'd love to see the game incorporate a way of dealing better with reliever usage, a way to say "I want relievers to be used as they were in the 1970s, not the 2000s". Not just frequency of use, but when they are used. Modern day usage dictates that your best reliever should be brought in in a save situation. Optimal usage dictates that your best reliever should be brought in when you are tied or up by a run. The game uses the former strategy, but I'd like it to use the latter, which would get relievers more innings and allow them to possibly get enough innings to win an award.

I'm curious as to why they sometimes choose to use my set-up man to close out games as opposed to by closer.

As of now, my closer has 12 saves and my set-up man has 9.

I thought it might have something to do with the set-up man coming in in a save situation, the game getting blown open, and him staying in to finish for the save. But checking the box scores, I've seen the set-up man come in for saves just as a closer would.

I also checked to see if maybe someone were tired, which wasn't the case either.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by abailey3313

I'm curious as to why they sometimes choose to use my set-up man to close out games as opposed to by closer.

As of now, my closer has 12 saves and my set-up man has 9.

I thought it might have something to do with the set-up man coming in in a save situation, the game getting blown open, and him staying in to finish for the save. But checking the box scores, I've seen the set-up man come in for saves just as a closer would.

I also checked to see if maybe someone were tired, which wasn't the case either.

People have been talking a lot about this issue since 6.11 came out. I haven't noticed myself, mostly because I've been playing in earlier eras I suppose.

[abailey3313]

Originally Posted by ctorg

People have been talking a lot about this issue since 6.11 came out. I haven't noticed myself, mostly because I've been playing in earlier eras I suppose.

It doesn't actually bother me too much, as long as my set-up man isn't coming in instead of my closer and blowing games. At that point, I'd be upset.

The only real problem I have with it is that I'm paying my closer considerably more than my set-up guy. So if I'm only using my closer a percentage of the time, it's almost a waste of finances. I'd consider trading my closer and moving my current set-up guy into that slot, but there's nothing stopping whoever steps into the set-up role from cutting into my new closer's save chances.

[SandMan]

Originally Posted by abailey3313

It doesn't actually bother me too much, as long as my set-up man isn't coming in instead of my closer and blowing games. At that point, I'd be upset.

The only real problem I have with it is that I'm paying my closer considerably more than my set-up guy. So if I'm only using my closer a percentage of the time, it's almost a waste of finances. I'd consider trading my closer and moving my current set-up guy into that slot, but there's nothing stopping whoever steps into the set-up role from cutting into my new closer's save chances.

I just started rotating my mr between setup 1,2 and closer roles. I can get three good MR(3 mil range) or 1 good CL(7-8 mil range). I just rotate them until I find one that does the job.

[abailey3313]

Originally Posted by SandMan

I just started rotating my mr between setup 1,2 and closer roles. I can get three good MR(3 mil range) or 1 good CL(7-8 mil range). I just rotate them until I find one that does the job.

My closer was one of the guys from my initial draft, so I like hanging onto him. He's only 24, but you're right, I could probably get 3 decent MR for the same thing I'm paying him.

I've received tons of offers for my set-up guy. The problem is, the CPU AI never offers me anything decent. For example, they'll offer me a 1 gold star SP (30+ years old) for my 4.5-blue star set-up man.

My thought is that if I can keep my big three starters, set-up man, and closers in tact, all I really need is 2 or 3 decent, inexpensive MRs. If it becomes too expensive to keep the closer around though (I won't keep the closer at the cost of a starter), it's nice to know I at least have another guy capable of shutting the door.

[Barry Diamond]

Has anyone done a test like this, if you put your closer in the set-up and closer roles, would he get more chances to close out games? Then put your relievers in the other slots for middlemen? Just a thought.

I have been putting my set-up men in the middlemen AND set-up men roles and they are being used a little more than just the other middlemen that I have which is what I want.

Also, something I would like to see put in the game is lefty pitchers pitching to lefty hitters and righties vs righties. I hate when I see a reliever who lefties are hitting .149 against and righties hitting .309 coming into the game and pitching against righty batters just because they are in the set-up role. Of course, that's why you should play out your games...which I do sometimes as time permits. I just wich the computer better handled lefty vs lefty and righty vs righty situations better.

[bulldog55]

Shouldn't saves be factored into how the Cy Young is determined? Relievers have won it before. A reliever should need a lot of saves, few blown saves, and a very low ERA and no real standout starters to win the Cy Young. I'm a bit surprised this isn't already a determining factor.

[BaseballMan]

i think the awards needs to be improved or at least give us more categories to determine the award.

Ive seen a pitcher with a losing record beat out a 17-5 pitcher because his era was a lot better. I could see a 15-9 pitcher beating him but not one with a losing record.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

i think the awards needs to be improved or at least give us more categories to determine the award.

Ive seen a pitcher with a losing record beat out a 17-5 pitcher because his era was a lot better. I could see a 15-9 pitcher beating him but not one with a losing record.

I had one season where this one pitcher was really dominant, led the league in ERA and set a new strikeout record, but he was 18-10 and the Cy Young winner was 21-5 with something like the 10th highest ERA, a full run behind the 18-10 guy. It seemed pretty silly to me.

[abailey3313]

Originally Posted by ctorg

I had one season where this one pitcher was really dominant, led the league in ERA and set a new strikeout record, but he was 18-10 and the Cy Young winner was 21-5 with something like the 10th highest ERA, a full run behind the 18-10 guy. It seemed pretty silly to me.

Same thing happened to me. My guy led the league in every statistical category except for wins and losses, and lost the award. The next season he won Outstanding Pitcher with a 16-9 record.

[SandMan]

I think that they should be user defined to allow more awards. Also I think that a box should open with the top 5-10 qualifiers for an award and let the game player select the winner or to add their own. Of course this could be defaulted to let computer decide the award winner or user select.......interesting idea...

Again with CATOBASE you can select your own award winners any way....

[bulldog55]

Originally Posted by ctorg

I had one season where this one pitcher was really dominant, led the league in ERA and set a new strikeout record, but he was 18-10 and the Cy Young winner was 21-5 with something like the 10th highest ERA, a full run behind the 18-10 guy. It seemed pretty silly to me.

You could be talking about any number of Major League seasons.

Personally I like the Joe "Wins are the most important pitching statistic" Morgan factor in games.

[TheBishop]

I believe our 80s league at BBSC had a reliever win the award. John Beckwith went 25-9 with a 3.27 ERA in 95 games, including 2 starts. He pitched 170.2 innings that year.

Since then, he's 12-11 with an ERA around 4 in 3 seasons, winning 4 games in each.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

I've never seen it but you can always make the award changes as you see fit.

Originally Posted by rogmax11

Excuse me? Steve, did you say what I thought you said? How does one change Award winners in this game? Although I prebought this game, Ive never d/led the program since my laptop died, so have no first-hand experience with V.6 to rely on, but I was under the impression that one could not change the program selections for awards or AS picks. Am I in error? And if so, would you shed light on this? Thanks, r.

Did this get answered? Or did I overlook it?