Sammy Sosa for Shawn Green?

benchwarmer · 11-08-2004, 06:04 PM

According to ESPN and a few emails i get, The Cubs could be ready to ship Sosa to LA for Shawn Green.

What's everyones take on this? Good or bad for the Cubs? Good or bad for the Dodgers?

mauboy · 11-08-2004, 06:09 PM

Good for the Cubs I think.

Sosa is becoming worse and worse for the Cubs.

The fans will still come to the games even if Sosa isn't here.

Karros270 · 11-08-2004, 06:13 PM

Bad for the Dodgers. I heard about this and cringed. Sosa would be a problem in LA just like he is in Chicago. Green has one year left at about $15M. If Sosa is traded he has two years left at something like $17~$18M. Seems like a bad deal for the Dodgers unless they're throwing Prior in too. Now that I wouldn't mind seeing.

IatricSB · 11-08-2004, 06:23 PM

Yeah, from the Dodger's side of things, this doesn't make much sense at all unless other players are involved.

benchwarmer · 11-08-2004, 06:47 PM

I agree that the Dodgers lose out on Age, and money in this one. however, Sosa is coming off a bad season and has a lot to prove about his offensive ability. Maybe a change of teams will bring back the 66HR Sosa? I cant help but think it will.

Skipaway · 11-08-2004, 06:55 PM

But who knew if the Cubs would throw in some money to smooth out the difference in money? Then it got a chance to be an even deal.

TotalEnd98 · 11-08-2004, 07:16 PM

Looks like it's not going to happen: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1918811

nate7891 · 11-08-2004, 07:22 PM

"I'm tired of being blamed by Dusty Baker for all the failures of this club," Sosa told the Chicago Sun-Times in early October.

Your supposed to be a leader bud. You get paid 16 million you better have some sort of leadership abilities which obviously sosa doesn't.

Mike Ivie · 11-08-2004, 07:47 PM

both players have the right to block the trade. there are too many things that will block the way with contract issues, buyouts, and no-trade clauses. No way this one happens.

Skipaway · 11-08-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

"I'm tired of being blamed by Dusty Baker for all the failures of this club," Sosa told the Chicago Sun-Times in early October.

Your supposed to be a leader bud. You get paid 16 million you better have some sort of leadership abilities which obviously sosa doesn't.

When was a player ever paid to be a leader? Managers are the ones that supposed to lead. If a manager couldn't handle the players, he'd be useless.

Tib · 11-08-2004, 08:07 PM

Sosa is not a leader and he's not paid to be one. He's paid to hit homers. Period. Green on the other hand, is left-handed power and that's always a good thing. He can play two positions, and not too badly at that. He's supposed to be a mild-mannered guy who tries hard to do his job. OK, he's a streaky hitter, but so is Sosa.

The Dodgers are right to say no. If you're going for Beltre, you better have some power in the lineup to protect him and left-handed is better than right-handed in the West where there aren't many lefty starters (except in LA).

SoxWin · 11-08-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

But who knew if the Cubs would throw in some money to smooth out the difference in money? Then it got a chance to be an even deal.

It would have to be enough to cover Sosa's 2006 salary.

Not going to happen.

Astros02 · 11-08-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

When was a player ever paid to be a leader? Managers are the ones that supposed to lead. If a manager couldn't handle the players, he'd be useless.

Pete Rose.

nate7891 · 11-08-2004, 09:05 PM

roger clemens was signed to be a leader also.

Skipaway · 11-08-2004, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

roger clemens was signed to be a leader also.

So does that mean his managers got paid less? I think you are just trying too hard to cover the fact that Dusty Baker mismanaged Sammy Sosa.

Prior81 · 11-09-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

roger clemens was signed to be a leader also.

He's a huge leader at away games he's not pitching.

rem · 11-09-2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

Bad for the Dodgers. I heard about this and cringed. Sosa would be a problem in LA just like he is in Chicago. Green has one year left at about $15M. If Sosa is traded he has two years left at something like $17~$18M. Seems like a bad deal for the Dodgers unless they're throwing Prior in too. Now that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Yeah, real bad in like no way the Dodgers ever do it. I assumed that Green had more years left.

CMH · 11-09-2004, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

When was a player ever paid to be a leader? Managers are the ones that supposed to lead. If a manager couldn't handle the players, he'd be useless.

I'm still hoping that most of Derek Jeter's 18 million is based on this assumption that his leadership skills led the Yankees to four championships in five years.

While that doesn't necessarily make me comfortable, it would be easier to swallow living in New York (with the crazy things these people believe) than someone saying it was because of his skills.

rem · 11-09-2004, 12:52 AM

Try and think that he makes up for it in revenue....

eswan9 · 11-09-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

Looks like it's not going to happen: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1918811

I agree, though keep in mind all this is coming from Sosa' agent. I would not be surprised if something is brewing beyond closed doors.

11-08-2004, 06:04 PM	#1
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	Sammy Sosa for Shawn Green? According to ESPN and a few emails i get, The Cubs could be ready to ship Sosa to LA for Shawn Green. What's everyones take on this? Good or bad for the Cubs? Good or bad for the Dodgers?

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mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	Good for the Cubs I think. Sosa is becoming worse and worse for the Cubs. The fans will still come to the games even if Sosa isn't here.

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benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	I agree that the Dodgers lose out on Age, and money in this one. however, Sosa is coming off a bad season and has a lot to prove about his offensive ability. Maybe a change of teams will bring back the 66HR Sosa? I cant help but think it will.

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nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	"I'm tired of being blamed by Dusty Baker for all the failures of this club," Sosa told the Chicago Sun-Times in early October. Your supposed to be a leader bud. You get paid 16 million you better have some sort of leadership abilities which obviously sosa doesn't. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

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Mike Ivie Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 203	both players have the right to block the trade. there are too many things that will block the way with contract issues, buyouts, and no-trade clauses. No way this one happens.

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Tib All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Paso Robles, CA Posts: 995	Sosa is not a leader and he's not paid to be one. He's paid to hit homers. Period. Green on the other hand, is left-handed power and that's always a good thing. He can play two positions, and not too badly at that. He's supposed to be a mild-mannered guy who tries hard to do his job. OK, he's a streaky hitter, but so is Sosa. The Dodgers are right to say no. If you're going for Beltre, you better have some power in the lineup to protect him and left-handed is better than right-handed in the West where there aren't many lefty starters (except in LA).

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nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	roger clemens was signed to be a leader also. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

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