Enough Already!!!

tcblcommish · 11-03-2004, 11:51 PM

Man, I'm sorry to have to post this but it is driving me nuts. Foul ball after foul ball. I was just playing Atlanta in my solo league and I had 3 batters in a row have to face 7 foul ball each except the last one who faced 9.

Please make this an option, it is annoying as hell.

I normally hate to post something that is so trivial but it's SOOOOO annoying!!

Deitrus · 11-03-2004, 11:55 PM

Does this happen in all of your games that you play out or is it just a few? If its just a few then I wouldn't really worry about it. I like the realism. This happends in the MLB as well.

TheNutz72 · 11-04-2004, 12:07 AM

It drives me crazy too! Why? Why? Why? People have been asking for pitch by pitch but if you are only going to implement it in a half assed way...

tcblcommish · 11-04-2004, 12:09 AM

I play every at bat, every pitch. at least 4 or 5 guys per game have to face this crap.

Don't gte me wrong, I love this game, that's just one of the little annoyances people get

Steve Kuffrey · 11-04-2004, 12:23 AM

Myself and others have looked at this in the past and I've NEVER had it happen this often. Typically I've seen it every few games or so once or twice.

endgame · 11-04-2004, 12:48 AM

I have trouble understanding why it's annoying, although you certainly have the right to feel that way. But baseball's a game of anticipation. I get it as often as once or twice a game, but I often find it's an interesting matchup where either the batter is vying to advance someone while he's behind in the count or I find myself watching the pitch count on the mound (especially if I'm down a run or two) hoping he just keeps knocking 'em back in the stands until this guy has to be retired. Option's a good idea. You're right. To each his own.

William4192 · 11-04-2004, 12:44 PM

Don't go to pitch by pitch. What would be the point? A coach does not coach pitch by pitch.

BravesSince66 · 11-04-2004, 01:05 PM

There seems to be more waaaaaaay more two strike foul balls in 6.11 vice 6.03. It is quite a noticeable difference. And pitch by pitch is an important part of the game for me. I might sim a few games or sim the first or final part of a game, but when things are important I always play pitch by pitch.

clutch · 11-04-2004, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BravesSince66

There seems to be more waaaaaaay more two strike foul balls in 6.11 vice 6.03. It is quite a noticeable difference.

I would like to see the study you are referring to.

statfreak · 11-04-2004, 01:12 PM

this has been rehashed multiple times... I will repeat my stance for the tenth time... foul balls should be a part of the play by play, not an event that causes the user to reselect the same strategies 5 or 6+ times.

For example:

pitch to Wagner

foul ball...

foul ball...

foul ball...

foul ball...

single to left

please note I have simplified the play by play for example purposes only.

jbmagic · 11-04-2004, 01:19 PM

alex cora this year foul like 18 straight balls in the major league

William4192 · 11-04-2004, 01:24 PM

I agree play by play is important, I meant it was not needed : strike one (press button), ball one (press button) etc...

I agree, strategy won't change since there is a foul ball, so no need to give us the ability.

Henry · 11-04-2004, 01:38 PM

I did that study a while back (possible Version 5) and the actual results of about 12 test games weren't any different than real life. I suppose it's possible something might have changed in V6.

William4192 · 11-04-2004, 02:24 PM

Henry,

I think the point is the foul balls are fine, but do we have press the pitch button after each one? Can it just list the foul balls with out a need to press the button?

Steve Kuffrey · 11-04-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William4192

Henry,

I think the point is the foul balls are fine, but do we have press the pitch button after each one? Can it just list the foul balls with out a need to press the button?

CURRENTLY that is the way it is. I don't see it changing before v7 and have no idea if it will in v7 but it has been suggested multiple times.

Vezna31 · 11-04-2004, 02:54 PM

It gets on my nerves at times. I know it's supposed to bring the realism to the game though. I would like to see the pitch count automatically adjusted to how many times he would have fouled off and then show the end result of the at-bat. Many times if I am the pitcher, I will simulate the 1/2 inning if it starts to take too long with foul balls...and then of course the other team scores 4 or 5 runs in the sim and I get pissed anyway...lol!!

endgame · 11-04-2004, 03:29 PM

If and when it is on the table for change, it seems to me it's yet another area of division among players. Add another click tab to the game options - fouls on, fouls off.

William4192 · 11-04-2004, 03:53 PM

Why do you like to sit through foul balls? I don't understand. This is an honest question. Would you also like to sit through each pitch? Ball.. Ball 2. Strike 1... etc.. I'm not putting it down, but I'm just asking.

SoxWin · 11-04-2004, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

Myself and others have looked at this in the past and I've NEVER had it happen this often. Typically I've seen it every few games or so once or twice.

You're not playing the same game I am then.

Another thing that bugs me is when I'm not even attempting to steal and get picked off. Yet another thing is I can't steal when I want to, I have to wait until the FAC decides I can. Runner didn't get a good jump......ggguuuuhhhhhh.

endgame · 11-04-2004, 04:11 PM

My original question was much the same. Why does it bother you? Different views. Like I said, fundamentally the game of baseball differs from other sports in that it's a game of anticipation. Always a wonder of what will happen next, if IT will happen, if it will happen now. A seven run deficit is different in baseball than when you're three touchdowns down in football. In football it's a matter of - is this play going to work or won't it - will the pass be caught or not - and so on, on to the next.

But in baseball, it's the drama, the matchup, the mound vs the box, and yes - to a degree - the pitch vs the swing or the eye. I like a bit of that tension between my cleanup hitter with a count of 1-2 runners on 2nd and 3rd and two out, strongest lefty pitcher on the mound for the other team who probably should win the contest - but maybe he won't. I'm down a run, late in the 8th. This matters. So does suspense.

The count climbs to 2-2, then 3-2, I'm thinking man "is this guy gonna get walked?!" The keen-eyed lefty clubber facing the tiring fireball knocking off the strikes and keeping his AB alive all the time the pitchcount keep climbing as fast as my hopes do that the swing that counts will be one driving the ball into the gap and bringing at least the tying run home.

I don't mind it. Sometimes it's a situation where it doesn't really matter. It's a thing that just has to pass, like some AB's period. They just need to get over with; you know the outcome won't change anything. But in those moments, those critical moments when the longer it takes the more wonderful (or disappointing) the result, that's anticipation ..... the long wait for fortune's nod. That's baseball.

11-03-2004, 11:51 PM	#1
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,439	Enough Already!!! Man, I'm sorry to have to post this but it is driving me nuts. Foul ball after foul ball. I was just playing Atlanta in my solo league and I had 3 batters in a row have to face 7 foul ball each except the last one who faced 9. Please make this an option, it is annoying as hell. I normally hate to post something that is so trivial but it's SOOOOO annoying!!

11-04-2004, 12:23 AM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Myself and others have looked at this in the past and I've NEVER had it happen this often. Typically I've seen it every few games or so once or twice. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-04-2004, 12:44 PM	#7
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Don't go to pitch by pitch. What would be the point? A coach does not coach pitch by pitch. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-04-2004, 01:05 PM	#8
BravesSince66 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 238	There seems to be more waaaaaaay more two strike foul balls in 6.11 vice 6.03. It is quite a noticeable difference. And pitch by pitch is an important part of the game for me. I might sim a few games or sim the first or final part of a game, but when things are important I always play pitch by pitch. Last edited by BravesSince66; 11-04-2004 at 01:09 PM.

11-04-2004, 01:12 PM	#10
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	this has been rehashed multiple times... I will repeat my stance for the tenth time... foul balls should be a part of the play by play, not an event that causes the user to reselect the same strategies 5 or 6+ times. For example: pitch to Wagner foul ball... foul ball... foul ball... foul ball... single to left please note I have simplified the play by play for example purposes only. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

11-03-2004, 11:55 PM	#2
Deitrus All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United States Posts: 535	Does this happen in all of your games that you play out or is it just a few? If its just a few then I wouldn't really worry about it. I like the realism. This happends in the MLB as well.

11-04-2004, 12:07 AM	#3
TheNutz72 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	It drives me crazy too! Why? Why? Why? People have been asking for pitch by pitch but if you are only going to implement it in a half assed way...

11-04-2004, 12:09 AM	#4
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,439	I play every at bat, every pitch. at least 4 or 5 guys per game have to face this crap. Don't gte me wrong, I love this game, that's just one of the little annoyances people get

11-04-2004, 12:48 AM	#6
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I have trouble understanding why it's annoying, although you certainly have the right to feel that way. But baseball's a game of anticipation. I get it as often as once or twice a game, but I often find it's an interesting matchup where either the batter is vying to advance someone while he's behind in the count or I find myself watching the pitch count on the mound (especially if I'm down a run or two) hoping he just keeps knocking 'em back in the stands until this guy has to be retired. Option's a good idea. You're right. To each his own.

11-04-2004, 01:19 PM	#11
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	alex cora this year foul like 18 straight balls in the major league

11-04-2004, 01:24 PM	#12
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I agree play by play is important, I meant it was not needed : strike one (press button), ball one (press button) etc... I agree, strategy won't change since there is a foul ball, so no need to give us the ability. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-04-2004, 01:38 PM	#13
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I did that study a while back (possible Version 5) and the actual results of about 12 test games weren't any different than real life. I suppose it's possible something might have changed in V6.

11-04-2004, 02:24 PM	#14
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Henry, I think the point is the foul balls are fine, but do we have press the pitch button after each one? Can it just list the foul balls with out a need to press the button? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-04-2004, 02:54 PM	#16
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,986	It gets on my nerves at times. I know it's supposed to bring the realism to the game though. I would like to see the pitch count automatically adjusted to how many times he would have fouled off and then show the end result of the at-bat. Many times if I am the pitcher, I will simulate the 1/2 inning if it starts to take too long with foul balls...and then of course the other team scores 4 or 5 runs in the sim and I get pissed anyway...lol!!

11-04-2004, 03:29 PM	#17
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	If and when it is on the table for change, it seems to me it's yet another area of division among players. Add another click tab to the game options - fouls on, fouls off.

11-04-2004, 03:53 PM	#18
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Why do you like to sit through foul balls? I don't understand. This is an honest question. Would you also like to sit through each pitch? Ball.. Ball 2. Strike 1... etc.. I'm not putting it down, but I'm just asking. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

11-04-2004, 04:11 PM	#20
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	My original question was much the same. Why does it bother you? Different views. Like I said, fundamentally the game of baseball differs from other sports in that it's a game of anticipation. Always a wonder of what will happen next, if IT will happen, if it will happen now. A seven run deficit is different in baseball than when you're three touchdowns down in football. In football it's a matter of - is this play going to work or won't it - will the pass be caught or not - and so on, on to the next. But in baseball, it's the drama, the matchup, the mound vs the box, and yes - to a degree - the pitch vs the swing or the eye. I like a bit of that tension between my cleanup hitter with a count of 1-2 runners on 2nd and 3rd and two out, strongest lefty pitcher on the mound for the other team who probably should win the contest - but maybe he won't. I'm down a run, late in the 8th. This matters. So does suspense. The count climbs to 2-2, then 3-2, I'm thinking man "is this guy gonna get walked?!" The keen-eyed lefty clubber facing the tiring fireball knocking off the strikes and keeping his AB alive all the time the pitchcount keep climbing as fast as my hopes do that the swing that counts will be one driving the ball into the gap and bringing at least the tying run home. I don't mind it. Sometimes it's a situation where it doesn't really matter. It's a thing that just has to pass, like some AB's period. They just need to get over with; you know the outcome won't change anything. But in those moments, those critical moments when the longer it takes the more wonderful (or disappointing) the result, that's anticipation ..... the long wait for fortune's nod. That's baseball.