Too many runs scored

statfreak · 03-02-2002, 06:33 AM

in the first and last innings of the game.

I only played ten games, but in 9 of them, one team has scored at least 2 runs in the first inning and in 8 of the games one (or both) teams have scored at least 2 runs in the last inning (either the 9th or last inning of extra-innings game).

Also, seems like the home team will always score a couple of runs to either win or tie the game in the 9th inning.

I have noticed in at least 3 games, the computer AI will leave the pitcher in to bat with a tie game or being down by a run in the 8th and 9th innings.

Besides being 2 and 8 with the Brewers and losing my last 3 games in the last inning, all is well.

Asfanone · 03-02-2002, 08:57 AM

Don't feel bad I had it happen to me quite often in OOTP3. The in game code must not have been improved upon in the recent version. Let's hope that it’s earmarked for a patch fix.

There's nothing more maddening then having the home team score 5 runs in the ninth to win the game. Unless that home team is you.

PCline26 · 03-02-2002, 09:06 AM

Not a better way to lose a game hehe

andy m · 03-02-2002, 09:50 AM

yes, in OOTP3 i've often noticed that closers have a streaky approach. they'll shut the opposition down for games on end, then suddenly they'll get lit for 4 runs and no outs and the ERA goes to hell in a hand basket!

Steve Kuffrey · 03-02-2002, 09:58 AM

I've "watched" it happen right before my eyes on TV or at a ballpark too.....not far off.

JML · 03-02-2002, 09:59 AM

all of these things happen in real life too. 10 games isn't a very big sample to make deductions from. I had these things happen quite a bit in ootp3 too, but it's hard to say it is inaccurate. It SEEMS like it happens "all the time" because those heart-breaking last-inning losses get burned in your brain, so it's hard to be objective about whether or not it is unrealistic.

My $.02 on the matter.

PS: Just finished my first game of OOTP4, Cubs @ Reds. It went 14 innings. Kerry Wood got shelled for 5 runs in 5 IP, my bullpen stepped it up, and Sammy tied the score with a 3-run dinger in the top of the ninth (yeah, I know). In the 14th, Alan Benes got Griffey swinging, only to have Kelly Stinnett hit a solo HR to win it. A heart-breaker indeed. I lost, but what a great season opener!

Henry · 03-02-2002, 10:04 AM

I have to disagree... played hundreds (if not thousands) of games and haven't seen that any more in the game than I do in real life. Just out of interest, I looked at the last 50 box scores from my current test leagu in OOTP4 and have a grand total of 6 games where the home team pulled in out in the last inning. I really don't think your seeing a problem as much as "chance" ???

Asfanone · 03-02-2002, 12:07 PM

Okay Henry here's my month of April numbers Games: 27 Number decided 8th+: 8 8/27= 29%. I'll report on the rest of the season later but 30% seems a little high.

Henry · 03-02-2002, 12:19 PM

I guess that's the point though... if I'm not seeing those type numbers and you are, what other explanation is there than chance?

I remember when I first got OOTP3 and played my first season. I had about 8 games in the 1st month that the winning team scored over 20 runs... thought something was terribly wrong.. but you know what, haven't seen that type of streak since

Asfanone · 03-02-2002, 01:11 PM

All right I ran the rest of the numbers and here goes: May: 7 of 28 25%, June: 6 of 26 23% it’s getting better. Just for laughs I counted how many runs were scored in the 8th and after, it came out to 18.6% of runs scored for both teams were scored in the 8th or later. I’m just starting July and will let you know how the rest of the season fares.

03-02-2002, 06:33 AM	#1
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	Too many runs scored in the first and last innings of the game. I only played ten games, but in 9 of them, one team has scored at least 2 runs in the first inning and in 8 of the games one (or both) teams have scored at least 2 runs in the last inning (either the 9th or last inning of extra-innings game). Also, seems like the home team will always score a couple of runs to either win or tie the game in the 9th inning. I have noticed in at least 3 games, the computer AI will leave the pitcher in to bat with a tie game or being down by a run in the 8th and 9th innings. Besides being 2 and 8 with the Brewers and losing my last 3 games in the last inning, all is well. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

03-02-2002, 09:50 AM	#4
andy m Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 183	yes, in OOTP3 i've often noticed that closers have a streaky approach. they'll shut the opposition down for games on end, then suddenly they'll get lit for 4 runs and no outs and the ERA goes to hell in a hand basket! __________________

03-02-2002, 09:58 AM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	I've "watched" it happen right before my eyes on TV or at a ballpark too.....not far off. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-02-2002, 08:57 AM	#2
Asfanone Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3	Don't feel bad I had it happen to me quite often in OOTP3. The in game code must not have been improved upon in the recent version. Let's hope that it’s earmarked for a patch fix. There's nothing more maddening then having the home team score 5 runs in the ninth to win the game. Unless that home team is you.

03-02-2002, 09:06 AM	#3
PCline26 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NC Posts: 658	Not a better way to lose a game hehe

03-02-2002, 09:59 AM	#6
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	all of these things happen in real life too. 10 games isn't a very big sample to make deductions from. I had these things happen quite a bit in ootp3 too, but it's hard to say it is inaccurate. It SEEMS like it happens "all the time" because those heart-breaking last-inning losses get burned in your brain, so it's hard to be objective about whether or not it is unrealistic. My $.02 on the matter. PS: Just finished my first game of OOTP4, Cubs @ Reds. It went 14 innings. Kerry Wood got shelled for 5 runs in 5 IP, my bullpen stepped it up, and Sammy tied the score with a 3-run dinger in the top of the ninth (yeah, I know). In the 14th, Alan Benes got Griffey swinging, only to have Kelly Stinnett hit a solo HR to win it. A heart-breaker indeed. I lost, but what a great season opener!

03-02-2002, 10:04 AM	#7
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I have to disagree... played hundreds (if not thousands) of games and haven't seen that any more in the game than I do in real life. Just out of interest, I looked at the last 50 box scores from my current test leagu in OOTP4 and have a grand total of 6 games where the home team pulled in out in the last inning. I really don't think your seeing a problem as much as "chance" ???

03-02-2002, 12:07 PM	#8
Asfanone Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3	Okay Henry here's my month of April numbers Games: 27 Number decided 8th+: 8 8/27= 29%. I'll report on the rest of the season later but 30% seems a little high.

03-02-2002, 12:19 PM	#9
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I guess that's the point though... if I'm not seeing those type numbers and you are, what other explanation is there than chance? I remember when I first got OOTP3 and played my first season. I had about 8 games in the 1st month that the winning team scored over 20 runs... thought something was terribly wrong.. but you know what, haven't seen that type of streak since

03-02-2002, 01:11 PM	#10
Asfanone Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3	All right I ran the rest of the numbers and here goes: May: 7 of 28 25%, June: 6 of 26 23% it’s getting better. Just for laughs I counted how many runs were scored in the 8th and after, it came out to 18.6% of runs scored for both teams were scored in the 8th or later. I’m just starting July and will let you know how the rest of the season fares.