Carlos Beltran's Postseason Performance

Danny · 10-17-2004, 08:14 PM

So far, has Carlos Beltran's offensive performance this postseason been one of the best you have ever seen? I sure as hell think so.

benchwarmer · 10-17-2004, 08:21 PM

well, has has tied the postseason record for homeruns with 8.

He has been very good, and i agree, it's amoung the best i've seen.

mlyons · 10-17-2004, 08:22 PM

I think you could make a pretty compelling case for Barry Bonds in 2002, as well.

Danny · 10-17-2004, 08:24 PM

and there's still minimum 6 games left for him if Houston advances

Dargone · 10-17-2004, 08:26 PM

He has been sick...

Karros270 · 10-17-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargone

He has been sick...

Wow! That's even more impressive that he's done it all while under the weather.

akw4572 · 10-17-2004, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

I think you could make a pretty compelling case for Barry Bonds in 2002, as well.

Beltran's already matched his HR total in 1/2 as many games. Plus, he's not juicing up on the travel days of the series.

Spielman · 10-17-2004, 08:38 PM

He's been so good, the Cards should think about giving him the Barry Bonds treatment.

If Tavares felt like throwing at someone, it should have been Beltran, not Bagwell.

(Not that he should be throwing at anyone, but talk about misplaced frustration...)

-Spielman

Danny · 10-17-2004, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

I think you could make a pretty compelling case for Barry Bonds in 2002, as well.

Bonds in 2002: .356 - 8HR - 16RBI - 27BB - 1.559 OPS in 17 Games

Beltran in 2004: .486 - 8HR - 14RBI - 6BB - 1.772 in 9 Games

disposableheros · 10-17-2004, 08:49 PM

hes been absolutely amazing

dont forget that he now has HRs in 5 straight

mlyons · 10-17-2004, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Bonds in 2002: .356 - 8HR - 16RBI - 27BB - 1.559 OPS in 17 Games

Beltran in 2004: .486 - 8HR - 14RBI - 6BB - 1.772 in 9 Games

We should also look at Hideki Matsui this postseason: .500 - 3HR - 13RBI - 3BB - 1.465 in only 7 games.

Danny · 10-17-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

We should also look at Hideki Matsui this postseason: .500 - 3HR - 13RBI - 3BB - 1.465 in only 7 games.

I've been trying to block him out of my memory.

Erik W. · 10-17-2004, 08:56 PM

As a Cardinals fan watching this series, now I know how fans of other teams feel when watching their team play the Cards... my god the Astros line-up is killer, with Beltran being the lead assassin.

And no, Bonds' 2002 performance doesn't even come close to matching what Beltran has already done.

dougaiton · 10-17-2004, 08:57 PM

Still doesn't match up to Don Larsen:

H/9 = 0
HR/9 = 0
BB/9 = 0
K/9 = 7

Danny · 10-17-2004, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dougaiton

Still doesn't match up to Don Larsen:

H/9 = 0
HR/9 = 0
BB/9 = 0
K/9 = 7

Decent numbers right there.

Erik W. · 10-17-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dougaiton

Still doesn't match up to Don Larsen:

H/9 = 0
HR/9 = 0
BB/9 = 0
K/9 = 7

He asked about the best we've ever seen, and I don't know about you, but I'm not quite that old.

mlyons · 10-17-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

As a Cardinals fan watching this series, now I know how fans of other teams feel when watching their team play the Cards... my god the Astros line-up is killer, with Beltran being the lead assassin.

And no, Bonds' 2002 performance doesn't even come close to matching what Beltran has already done.

I disagree. Beltran obviously is hitting HRs at a better pace, but Bonds' overall performance (1.559 OPS) was almost as good, and he managed to sustain it over twice as many games as Beltran has. If we're looking at short postseason performances, neither of them came close to Babe Ruth in 1928: 3 HR, 3 2B, a .625 avg., and a staggering 2.022 OPS. He played half as many games in that postseason as Beltran has this postseason, though, just like Beltran's played half as many games this postseason as Bonds did in the 2002 postseason.

mlyons · 10-17-2004, 09:20 PM

dola

If we're talking about pitching as well, what about Curt Schilling in 2001? 4-0, 1.12 ERA, 56 Ks in 48.1 IP is pretty good, if you ask me.

Danny · 10-17-2004, 09:39 PM

Orel Hershiser in 1988: 5 GS, 42 Innings, 3-0, 3CG, 2SHO, 1.00 ERA, 32 K's

Astros02 · 10-18-2004, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

I disagree. Beltran obviously is hitting HRs at a better pace, but Bonds' overall performance (1.559 OPS) was almost as good, and he managed to sustain it over twice as many games as Beltran has. If we're looking at short postseason performances, neither of them came close to Babe Ruth in 1928: 3 HR, 3 2B, a .625 avg., and a staggering 2.022 OPS. He played half as many games in that postseason as Beltran has this postseason, though, just like Beltran's played half as many games this postseason as Bonds did in the 2002 postseason.

But the thing is, we're not compensating for less games. Beltran has matched what Bonds did in half as many games, albeit only 10 less at bats.

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benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	well, has has tied the postseason record for homeruns with 8. He has been very good, and i agree, it's amoung the best i've seen.

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Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	He's been so good, the Cards should think about giving him the Barry Bonds treatment. If Tavares felt like throwing at someone, it should have been Beltran, not Bagwell. (Not that he should be throwing at anyone, but talk about misplaced frustration...) -Spielman

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Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	As a Cardinals fan watching this series, now I know how fans of other teams feel when watching their team play the Cards... my god the Astros line-up is killer, with Beltran being the lead assassin. And no, Bonds' 2002 performance doesn't even come close to matching what Beltran has already done.

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dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Still doesn't match up to Don Larsen: H/9 = 0 HR/9 = 0 BB/9 = 0 K/9 = 7 __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

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mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	dola If we're talking about pitching as well, what about Curt Schilling in 2001? 4-0, 1.12 ERA, 56 Ks in 48.1 IP is pretty good, if you ask me. __________________ Things can always be worse.

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Danny Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Not there. Unless there is here. In which case I would be there. Posts: 52	Orel Hershiser in 1988: 5 GS, 42 Innings, 3-0, 3CG, 2SHO, 1.00 ERA, 32 K's __________________ Remember, if at first you don't succeed, deny you were even trying.