Batter/Pitcher Matchups

dave724 · 05-11-2004, 04:40 PM

I believe this should be included... how often do you see guys either getting the day off or getting a chance to play because they have a great or not so great average against a pitcher? I believe this is one of the major elements missing in OOTP, at least which I have not found. (perhaps some other program can generate this info for us, the boxscores are pretty complete)... Instead of just blanket lefty/righty scenario, individual numbers would add more depth. Paul O'Neill of the ML was always able to hit well off of Buddy Groom a lefty, yet, generally did not do as well against other lefties... potential is there... but then again I get the feeling that OOTP is less about individual matchups then it is about general matchups... Still I love OOTP and would be willing to wait for this to be implemented...

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kingpin1976 · 05-11-2004, 10:53 PM

I agree with you on that Dave but I am concerned about the added amount of memory it will eat up.Lots of stats to track there.But would be a great feature.

dave724 · 05-11-2004, 11:45 PM

yea, probably... but perhaps we can have a seperate program that can keep track of this for us... at least something I can print out before a game and stuff...

nestajones · 05-12-2004, 12:09 AM

did o'neill have even 10 AB against groom in his career?

dougk62 · 05-12-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by dave724
I believe this should be included... how often do you see guys either getting the day off or getting a chance to play because they have a great or not so great average against a pitcher? I believe this is one of the major elements missing in OOTP, at least which I have not found.

Just because some major league managers look at stuff like this and actually base decisions on it doesn't mean their methods have any basis in anything worth making decisions on.

How many current major league players have had enough at bats in their career against a specific pitcher to make any sort of projection about what is likely to occur in their next 4 at bats? How many at bats do you think a player would need to make any sort of statistical correlation? I would dare to say it would be well over a "normal" seasons worth of at bats. The sample size is just way to small to have individual batter/pitcher stats have any statistical significance at all.

My opinion is that this is one of the silliest ideas to ever even consider incorporating in a game like this, but if your idea of a good game is one where Joe Schmo will bat .600 against Heater Harry just because in 10 career at bats he got 6 hits, enjoy your wait.

bostonbaseball86 · 05-12-2004, 10:50 AM

I actually like the idea, just because when I play OOTP I like it to be like watchign a game on TV, I sit there watching games yelling when the coach leaves in the slugger who is 0-15 vs someone and doesnt put in a guy whos 11-13 life time vs him. it may not always make sense and be true, but it would just add to the realism of the game, for me at least..

sguthrie · 05-12-2004, 11:41 AM

That kind of assumes that OOTP has coded that one guy can "have the number" of another guy. I'd be shocked if in the OOTP world there were more that statistical flukes, meaning that even if a guy's liftime average agaist this pitcher was .400, he would have the same odds of getting a his as if his average was .200.

dave724 · 05-12-2004, 06:44 PM

Obviously you don't watch many games Doug... This is taken into consideration in every game that is played in the ML. Players have plenty of AB's over their career to set somewhat of a track record against certain pitchers. No one is stupid enough to say that if a guy is 6-10 that the trend will continue... but let me ask you, if a guy is 25-40 against a pitcher and another is 5-40, who would you play? Of course, I don't think the game is coded that way anyway, which was a good point brought up by a few of the others to comment... but to say it's the silliest idea is silly itself. This game strives for statistcal accurancy and realism, taking the element of pitcher vs hitter is just a part of that... to not include is certainly excluding something...

kingpin1976 · 05-12-2004, 07:48 PM

I dont care if it was coded that certain hitters had a pitchers number I would enjoy the added variety to the stats in the pbp.I can never play out an entire season no matter how badly I try I just get so damn bored of seeing the same text.So anything to add variety for us game to game players just the added text would be something to think about before you click swing away.

bostonbaseball86 · 05-12-2004, 09:20 PM

kingpin same for me.. I start out saying okay I'll play every game! Then okay every division game! every game with a team within 5 games from me! then I just sim a few seasons and call it quits for the day..

crazyhorsejohnny · 05-12-2004, 09:40 PM

needless for this game.

kingpin1976 · 05-13-2004, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by bostonbaseball86
kingpin same for me.. I start out saying okay I'll play every game! Then okay every division game! every game with a team within 5 games from me! then I just sim a few seasons and call it quits for the day..

Yeah I'm always trying to find creative ways to make it "feel'like I'm playing out a season without actually doing so. Usually I make it every game until sometime in July and then start making rules like you have bostonbaseball.

Khan · 05-13-2004, 03:48 AM

Theoretically, this is a nice idea and as much as I might like seeing it I can also see the difficulties and annoyances it may cause.

As great as the "He's 12 for 29 lifetime with 2 HR and 10 RBI" against so and so would be, there would be tons of "He's 0 for 2 .....". I think this would be just too much stuff to track especially with new players coming in all the time.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing lifetime tracking of stats against individual teams. I know the game does it during the season, but I'm not sure it does it for a career or am I mistaken??

05-11-2004, 04:40 PM	#1
dave724 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 48	Batter/Pitcher Matchups I believe this should be included... how often do you see guys either getting the day off or getting a chance to play because they have a great or not so great average against a pitcher? I believe this is one of the major elements missing in OOTP, at least which I have not found. (perhaps some other program can generate this info for us, the boxscores are pretty complete)... Instead of just blanket lefty/righty scenario, individual numbers would add more depth. Paul O'Neill of the ML was always able to hit well off of Buddy Groom a lefty, yet, generally did not do as well against other lefties... potential is there... but then again I get the feeling that OOTP is less about individual matchups then it is about general matchups... Still I love OOTP and would be willing to wait for this to be implemented... Also a shamless plug for our fans... www.ssbl.net has a team opening... We would love to fill before we start our next season. Thanks __________________ David Pereira Former Commissioner of the Long standing SSBL

05-11-2004, 11:45 PM	#3
dave724 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 48	yea, probably... but perhaps we can have a seperate program that can keep track of this for us... at least something I can print out before a game and stuff... __________________ David Pereira Former Commissioner of the Long standing SSBL

05-12-2004, 06:44 PM	#8
dave724 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 48	Obviously you don't watch many games Doug... This is taken into consideration in every game that is played in the ML. Players have plenty of AB's over their career to set somewhat of a track record against certain pitchers. No one is stupid enough to say that if a guy is 6-10 that the trend will continue... but let me ask you, if a guy is 25-40 against a pitcher and another is 5-40, who would you play? Of course, I don't think the game is coded that way anyway, which was a good point brought up by a few of the others to comment... but to say it's the silliest idea is silly itself. This game strives for statistcal accurancy and realism, taking the element of pitcher vs hitter is just a part of that... to not include is certainly excluding something... __________________ David Pereira Former Commissioner of the Long standing SSBL

05-11-2004, 10:53 PM	#2
kingpin1976 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 402	I agree with you on that Dave but I am concerned about the added amount of memory it will eat up.Lots of stats to track there.But would be a great feature.

05-12-2004, 12:09 AM	#4
nestajones Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 174	did o'neill have even 10 AB against groom in his career?

05-12-2004, 10:50 AM	#6
bostonbaseball86 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 128	I actually like the idea, just because when I play OOTP I like it to be like watchign a game on TV, I sit there watching games yelling when the coach leaves in the slugger who is 0-15 vs someone and doesnt put in a guy whos 11-13 life time vs him. it may not always make sense and be true, but it would just add to the realism of the game, for me at least..

05-12-2004, 11:41 AM	#7
sguthrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 74	That kind of assumes that OOTP has coded that one guy can "have the number" of another guy. I'd be shocked if in the OOTP world there were more that statistical flukes, meaning that even if a guy's liftime average agaist this pitcher was .400, he would have the same odds of getting a his as if his average was .200.

05-12-2004, 07:48 PM	#9
kingpin1976 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 402	I dont care if it was coded that certain hitters had a pitchers number I would enjoy the added variety to the stats in the pbp.I can never play out an entire season no matter how badly I try I just get so damn bored of seeing the same text.So anything to add variety for us game to game players just the added text would be something to think about before you click swing away.

05-12-2004, 09:20 PM	#10
bostonbaseball86 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 128	kingpin same for me.. I start out saying okay I'll play every game! Then okay every division game! every game with a team within 5 games from me! then I just sim a few seasons and call it quits for the day..

05-12-2004, 09:40 PM	#11
crazyhorsejohnny All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 818	needless for this game.

05-13-2004, 03:48 AM	#13
Khan All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 827	Theoretically, this is a nice idea and as much as I might like seeing it I can also see the difficulties and annoyances it may cause. As great as the "He's 12 for 29 lifetime with 2 HR and 10 RBI" against so and so would be, there would be tons of "He's 0 for 2 .....". I think this would be just too much stuff to track especially with new players coming in all the time. However, I wouldn't mind seeing lifetime tracking of stats against individual teams. I know the game does it during the season, but I'm not sure it does it for a career or am I mistaken??